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I asked the HN crowd's perspective just over a week ago [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37111560 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37111560 I

by frfl 3y ago

I asked the HN crowd's perspective just over a week ago [1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37111560 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37111560 I guess we can ask again. HN readers, what's it like for you right now trying to find a job?

davesque 3y ago
Just wanted to point out that the way you presented the question, and the forum you presented it in, made it more likely that you would hear from people that agreed with you. Generally, if people don't have a problem with something, they just don't bother chiming in. If they're already concerned, they're more likely to respond. So you may not be getting a representative sample of the actual opinions that people hold on the issue.
- frfl 3y ago
  Do you have a suggestion for a more neutral way to ask this question to avoid bias?
  - davesque 3y ago
    You could have simply asked something like, "What are peoples opinions on the job market?" > My conclusion, so far, is unless you've got strong connections it's hard right now to find a job. By including this take, you may have primed people to respond with a similar opinion. But actually I think it might be almost impossible to eliminate the bias. You're very likely to hear back from people who are job searching. And job searching is an inherently stressful activity that breeds a negative state of mind. So you're very likely to hear back from people who think the situation is bad.
  - frfl 3y ago
    @davesque, I guess I cant reply directly to you. I've updated my question so it's more neutral. Thanks for the suggestion
  - davesque 3y ago
    @frfl No problem. Thanks for being receptive to my observation.
frozenport 3y ago
Intern I just hired as a junior compiler dev said he got silence from all applications. Guy had three prior internships, and great GPA from a top school. It was a really hard to advocate for his hire because we could get somebody with ten years of experience. And this is even with my policy of ignoring anybody from Google.
- jhatemyjob 3y ago
  Why ignore Google peeps? Cuz of salary expectations? Or cuz they suck?
  - frfl 3y ago
    If you do a search for "google"/"amazon"/"faang" on the link below, you find some relevant discussions https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37111256 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37111256
  - frozenport 3y ago
    For me its because they sucked: they had come to depend on a large Google ecosystem and were disruptively process oriented, occasionally "this is how we do it at Google." The expensive thing was also annoying, although we do have ICs making $300k. For director level staffing and people management Google guys were too abrasive, and didn't have their hands in the code - but that is a different story. But anyways can wax poetically about why to avoid folks from Google for days...
    - jhatemyjob 3y ago
      Fuck. I need to quit

by frfl 3y ago

davesque 3y ago

Just wanted to point out that the way you presented the question, and the forum you presented it in, made it more likely that you would hear from people that agreed with you. Generally, if people don't have a problem with something, they just don't bother chiming in. If they're already concerned, they're more likely to respond. So you may not be getting a representative sample of the actual opinions that people hold on the issue.

frfl 3y ago
Do you have a suggestion for a more neutral way to ask this question to avoid bias?
- davesque 3y ago
  You could have simply asked something like, "What are peoples opinions on the job market?" > My conclusion, so far, is unless you've got strong connections it's hard right now to find a job. By including this take, you may have primed people to respond with a similar opinion. But actually I think it might be almost impossible to eliminate the bias. You're very likely to hear back from people who are job searching. And job searching is an inherently stressful activity that breeds a negative state of mind. So you're very likely to hear back from people who think the situation is bad.
- frfl 3y ago
  @davesque, I guess I cant reply directly to you. I've updated my question so it's more neutral. Thanks for the suggestion
- davesque 3y ago
  @frfl No problem. Thanks for being receptive to my observation.

frozenport 3y ago

Intern I just hired as a junior compiler dev said he got silence from all applications. Guy had three prior internships, and great GPA from a top school. It was a really hard to advocate for his hire because we could get somebody with ten years of experience. And this is even with my policy of ignoring anybody from Google.

jhatemyjob 3y ago
Why ignore Google peeps? Cuz of salary expectations? Or cuz they suck?
- frfl 3y ago
  If you do a search for "google"/"amazon"/"faang" on the link below, you find some relevant discussions https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37111256 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37111256
- frozenport 3y ago
  For me its because they sucked: they had come to depend on a large Google ecosystem and were disruptively process oriented, occasionally "this is how we do it at Google." The expensive thing was also annoying, although we do have ICs making $300k. For director level staffing and people management Google guys were too abrasive, and didn't have their hands in the code - but that is a different story. But anyways can wax poetically about why to avoid folks from Google for days...
  - jhatemyjob 3y ago
    Fuck. I need to quit