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Which law in which State? How would they know for home birth, and would they arrest the baby? There are administrative rules all over the 50 States. Most don't

Which law in which State? How would they know for home birth, and would they arrest the baby? There are administrative rules all over the 50 States. Most don't apply to typical Americans but nobody knows that or they don't care because 'merica#1.

Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
> There are administrative rules all over the 50 States. Most don't apply to typical Americans [..] Oof, this absolutely reeks of sovereign citizen bullshit.
- FireBeyond 3y ago
  Reading his other comments on such, I agree. SSN is voluntary. Birth registration is voluntary (it's not). "Just get yourself a passport, that will work for ID". How to obtain a US passport with neither a SSN nor a birth certificate is apparently left as an exercise for the reader...
FireBeyond 3y ago
> Which law in which State? Leading with Washington, where I reside and work as a healthcare provider... RCW 70.58A.100 (https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=70.58A&full=true#70.58A.100 https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=70.58A&full=tru...) Specifically subsection 5: > For an unattended live birth not reported under subsection (4) of this section, a report of live birth and an affidavit stating the facts of the birth must be filed with the department within ten calendar days of the live birth. (whereby unattended means 'with no healthcare provider, midwife, or facility representative present or applicable'.) (For bonus, RCW 70.58A.120 captures "delayed reporting of a live birth" and the "establishing of facts" around the birth.) > How would they know for home birth I was going to offer the comparison to driving, where "they" don't know you're driving without a license until there is some form of or need for government interaction. But I fear this will lead to some comment about traveling versus driving. > and would they arrest the baby? This is fatuous. "Depending on the state, the parents may be fined, charged with imprisonment, or have to face other legal consequences." (emphasis mine).
- landemva 3y ago
  So parents reporting unattended live birth would get a "certificate of live birth" with first name 'baby' or whatever? That paper could actually be useful for purpose of passport.

Sohcahtoa82 3y ago

> There are administrative rules all over the 50 States. Most don't apply to typical Americans [..] Oof, this absolutely reeks of sovereign citizen bullshit.

FireBeyond 3y ago
Reading his other comments on such, I agree. SSN is voluntary. Birth registration is voluntary (it's not). "Just get yourself a passport, that will work for ID". How to obtain a US passport with neither a SSN nor a birth certificate is apparently left as an exercise for the reader...

FireBeyond 3y ago

> Which law in which State? Leading with Washington, where I reside and work as a healthcare provider... RCW 70.58A.100 (https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=70.58A&full=true#70.58A.100 https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=70.58A&full=tru...) Specifically subsection 5: > For an unattended live birth not reported under subsection (4) of this section, a report of live birth and an affidavit stating the facts of the birth must be filed with the department within ten calendar days of the live birth. (whereby unattended means 'with no healthcare provider, midwife, or facility representative present or applicable'.) (For bonus, RCW 70.58A.120 captures "delayed reporting of a live birth" and the "establishing of facts" around the birth.) > How would they know for home birth I was going to offer the comparison to driving, where "they" don't know you're driving without a license until there is some form of or need for government interaction. But I fear this will lead to some comment about traveling versus driving. > and would they arrest the baby? This is fatuous. "Depending on the state, the parents may be fined, charged with imprisonment, or have to face other legal consequences." (emphasis mine).

landemva 3y ago
So parents reporting unattended live birth would get a "certificate of live birth" with first name 'baby' or whatever? That paper could actually be useful for purpose of passport.