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Some of these statements seem to take the author quite a bit out over their skis. Subheading: Will our own elites perform any better than the rulers of Chaco C

Some of these statements seem to take the author quite a bit out over their skis. Subheading: Will our own elites perform any better than the rulers of Chaco Canyon, the Mayan heartland, and Viking Greenland? Shortly after: > Although no contemporary written records remain to tell us how the ruling elites responded, the archaeological evidence suggests that they persisted in their traditional ways until disintegration became unavoidable. So in other words, we don't know what their elites did. Doesn't this make the subheading nonsense? > It’s obvious, in fact, that climate change is permanently altering our environment in an ever more disastrous fashion. Is it obvious? Isn't it the subject of intense scientific research? Obvious would imply you can walk outside and just observe it as a lay person. If you could do that, we wouldn't need climate science as a field. And I'm not denying climate change. This article just seems like it's taking advantage of peoples anxieties to harvest clicks.

myshpa 3y ago
> So in other words, we don't know what their elites did. They didn't do enough. > And I'm not denying climate change. Climate change is just one symptom of the overshoot of the environment's carrying capacity (planetary boundaries). > Is it obvious? Isn't it the subject of intense scientific research? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_boundaries#Nine_boundaries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_boundaries#Nine_boun... Climate change, biodiversity loss and deforestation (land use change) are our biggest problems, I'd say. > This article just seems like it's taking advantage of peoples anxieties to harvest clicks No, it's just an early bird in the mass media. We'll hear about it more often going forward. Earlier collapse of Anthropocene ecosystems driven by multiple faster and noisier drivers https://www.nature.com/articles/s41893-023-01157-x https://www.nature.com/articles/s41893-023-01157-x Climate Endgame: Exploring catastrophic climate change scenarios https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2108146119 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2108146119 Trajectories of the Earth System in the Anthropocene https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1810141115 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1810141115 Ecological doom-loops: Why ecosystem collapses may occur much sooner than expected https://phys.org/news/2023-06-ecological-doom-loops-ecosystem-collapses-sooner.html https://phys.org/news/2023-06-ecological-doom-loops-ecosyste... The Human Ecology of Overshoot: Why a Major ‘Population Correction’ Is Inevitable https://www.mdpi.com/2673-4060/4/3/32 https://www.mdpi.com/2673-4060/4/3/32 Chances Of Societal Collapse In Next Few Decades Is Sky High, Modelling Suggests https://www.iflscience.com/chances-of-societal-collapse-in-next-few-decades-is-sky-high-modelling-suggests-56867?mibextid=Zxz2cZ https://www.iflscience.com/chances-of-societal-collapse-in-n... Ecological Collapse Could Happen Much Sooner Than Expected, Study Finds https://www.ecowatch.com/ecological-collapse-tipping-points-2023.html https://www.ecowatch.com/ecological-collapse-tipping-points-... Deep Adaptation: A Map for Navigating Climate Tragedy https://jembendell.com/2020/07/27/debating-the-pros-and-cons-of-deep-adaptation-start-here-with-a-new-edition-of-original-paper/ https://jembendell.com/2020/07/27/debating-the-pros-and-cons... Collapse - the only realistic scenario? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPb_0JZ6-Rc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPb_0JZ6-Rc

myshpa 3y ago

> So in other words, we don't know what their elites did. They didn't do enough. > And I'm not denying climate change. Climate change is just one symptom of the overshoot of the environment's carrying capacity (planetary boundaries). > Is it obvious? Isn't it the subject of intense scientific research? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_boundaries#Nine_boundaries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_boundaries#Nine_boun... Climate change, biodiversity loss and deforestation (land use change) are our biggest problems, I'd say. > This article just seems like it's taking advantage of peoples anxieties to harvest clicks No, it's just an early bird in the mass media. We'll hear about it more often going forward. Earlier collapse of Anthropocene ecosystems driven by multiple faster and noisier drivers https://www.nature.com/articles/s41893-023-01157-x https://www.nature.com/articles/s41893-023-01157-x Climate Endgame: Exploring catastrophic climate change scenarios https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2108146119 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.2108146119 Trajectories of the Earth System in the Anthropocene https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1810141115 https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1810141115 Ecological doom-loops: Why ecosystem collapses may occur much sooner than expected https://phys.org/news/2023-06-ecological-doom-loops-ecosystem-collapses-sooner.html https://phys.org/news/2023-06-ecological-doom-loops-ecosyste... The Human Ecology of Overshoot: Why a Major ‘Population Correction’ Is Inevitable https://www.mdpi.com/2673-4060/4/3/32 https://www.mdpi.com/2673-4060/4/3/32 Chances Of Societal Collapse In Next Few Decades Is Sky High, Modelling Suggests https://www.iflscience.com/chances-of-societal-collapse-in-next-few-decades-is-sky-high-modelling-suggests-56867?mibextid=Zxz2cZ https://www.iflscience.com/chances-of-societal-collapse-in-n... Ecological Collapse Could Happen Much Sooner Than Expected, Study Finds https://www.ecowatch.com/ecological-collapse-tipping-points-2023.html https://www.ecowatch.com/ecological-collapse-tipping-points-... Deep Adaptation: A Map for Navigating Climate Tragedy https://jembendell.com/2020/07/27/debating-the-pros-and-cons-of-deep-adaptation-start-here-with-a-new-edition-of-original-paper/ https://jembendell.com/2020/07/27/debating-the-pros-and-cons... Collapse - the only realistic scenario? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPb_0JZ6-Rc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qPb_0JZ6-Rc