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Quite exciting, this is the first time their "Chat" model is available for finetuning. Has anyone successfully bypassed the current Ai detectors using fine-tun

Quite exciting, this is the first time their "Chat" model is available for finetuning. Has anyone successfully bypassed the current Ai detectors using fine-tuned models? I know it's possible, I'm just trying to conceptualize how the dataset would be organized...

BoorishBears 3y ago
Why would you need to fine-tune? Those detectors are completely broken, simple chain of thought will get you something that doesn't "sound" like ChatGPT, and from there you're just as likely to be detected as "AI" as a human would be
GaggiX 3y ago
>Has anyone successfully bypassed the current Ai detectors using fine-tuned models? I think you can just use the base model easily.
LeoPanthera 3y ago
> Has anyone successfully bypassed the current Ai detectors using fine-tuned models? If you actually try the AI "detectors" you'll find that they're about as accurate as a coin flip. They don't work. You already cannot detect GPT-created text.
siva7 3y ago
ai detectors are scam products. it's not possible to detect with reliable certainty if text is human or chatgpt generated
- dinkleberg 3y ago
  In general I agree, though there are many cases where it is blatantly obvious something was written by AI. So many comments out there that are the classic ChatGPT 3-paragraphs where it has to restate the entire situation and then give you vague, non-committal answers.
  - rubyskills 3y ago
    Substring search for the word delve in the intro paragraph is all you need. :)
Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
> Has anyone successfully bypassed the current Ai detectors using fine-tuned models? Current AI detectors are pure garbage. Anybody paying for one is getting scammed. Anybody using one to actually make decisions is making a grave error. It's a real shame that some schools are using AI detectors to detect students using ChatGPT to write essays for them, because there have been many cases where the detectors flag essays as being AI-generated that are clearly written by hand. All it takes is half an hour of playing with ChatGPT and asking it to write essays to understand ChatGPT's writing style. Yeah, with some decent prompting, you can get it to write in other styles, but let's be honest, anybody using ChatGPT to do their homework isn't typically putting in the effort to make it not look like ChatGPT.
- zarzavat 3y ago
  It’s also completely impossible to detect “centaur” works which are a joint effort by human and computer. Where do you even draw the line? I use LLMs when I write as a tool to help me generate new ideas and find better word choices. If I were a student I would want to use the hell out of this, it really takes the drudgery out of writing.
  - CMCDragonkai 3y ago
    They shouldn't draw the line. To do so is to basically become Amish. Fine if you like that lifestyle, but not if you're trying to teach the next generation. Human augmentation is the future.
- tempaccount420 3y ago
  I wouldn't be surprised if students will soon adopt the style of ChatGPT, say because they're using it to learn English, or just talking to it a lot.

BoorishBears 3y ago

Why would you need to fine-tune? Those detectors are completely broken, simple chain of thought will get you something that doesn't "sound" like ChatGPT, and from there you're just as likely to be detected as "AI" as a human would be

GaggiX 3y ago

>Has anyone successfully bypassed the current Ai detectors using fine-tuned models? I think you can just use the base model easily.

LeoPanthera 3y ago

> Has anyone successfully bypassed the current Ai detectors using fine-tuned models? If you actually try the AI "detectors" you'll find that they're about as accurate as a coin flip. They don't work. You already cannot detect GPT-created text.

siva7 3y ago

ai detectors are scam products. it's not possible to detect with reliable certainty if text is human or chatgpt generated

dinkleberg 3y ago
In general I agree, though there are many cases where it is blatantly obvious something was written by AI. So many comments out there that are the classic ChatGPT 3-paragraphs where it has to restate the entire situation and then give you vague, non-committal answers.
- rubyskills 3y ago
  Substring search for the word delve in the intro paragraph is all you need. :)

Sohcahtoa82 3y ago

> Has anyone successfully bypassed the current Ai detectors using fine-tuned models? Current AI detectors are pure garbage. Anybody paying for one is getting scammed. Anybody using one to actually make decisions is making a grave error. It's a real shame that some schools are using AI detectors to detect students using ChatGPT to write essays for them, because there have been many cases where the detectors flag essays as being AI-generated that are clearly written by hand. All it takes is half an hour of playing with ChatGPT and asking it to write essays to understand ChatGPT's writing style. Yeah, with some decent prompting, you can get it to write in other styles, but let's be honest, anybody using ChatGPT to do their homework isn't typically putting in the effort to make it not look like ChatGPT.

zarzavat 3y ago
It’s also completely impossible to detect “centaur” works which are a joint effort by human and computer. Where do you even draw the line? I use LLMs when I write as a tool to help me generate new ideas and find better word choices. If I were a student I would want to use the hell out of this, it really takes the drudgery out of writing.
- CMCDragonkai 3y ago
  They shouldn't draw the line. To do so is to basically become Amish. Fine if you like that lifestyle, but not if you're trying to teach the next generation. Human augmentation is the future.
tempaccount420 3y ago
I wouldn't be surprised if students will soon adopt the style of ChatGPT, say because they're using it to learn English, or just talking to it a lot.