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I understand the function of the Internet Archives as an Archive of the internet. But I don't understand why they think their function is to influence legislati

I understand the function of the Internet Archives as an Archive of the internet. But I don't understand why they think their function is to influence legislation by activism in other fields. First they poked a bear with their "free library" of books. Now they are poking another bear with their music library. And in the process they endanger their "core function" of being the Internet archives.

CydeWeys 3y ago
The Internet Archive absolutely should be engaged in activism to expand fair use, protect archivist work, reduce copyright term, etc. What they shouldn't be doing is risking their existence by doing things with shaky legal standing.
- InSteady 3y ago
  Sure, and MLK should have stuck to marches instead of organizing strikes and other highly effective but risky forms of direct action. Kahle has stated from the outset that he wants to build a digital Library of Alexandria. He wants all media, including books, movies, music, etc to be freely available to anyone curious enough to come and look for it. Sounds like they are continuing to do exactly what they set out to do. Maybe what they shouldn't be doing is staying in some arbitrary lane that 3rd parties have decided they belong in, and instead continue fighting for freedom and universal access in whatever way they see fit.
  - ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
    The IA should stick to it's goal of actually being an archive first https://archive.org/post/1126216/kiwi-farms-removed-from-wayback-machine-why https://archive.org/post/1126216/kiwi-farms-removed-from-way...
    - flangola7 3y ago
      The KF pages are not deleted, only hidden from public view. Something they do for anyone or any domain on request. They are still accessible through request by researchers and will be there for future historians, they're just not open where they can be used to further doxxing and other harmful campaigns. I donate to IA on a monthly recurring basis and I'm glad to see them be ethically conscious about their service and prevent it from being weaponized.
jazzyjackson 3y ago
The archive's mission isn't "keep a backup of the internet", it's "Universal Access to All Knowledge"
- janosdebugs 3y ago
  Maybe IA needs to split itself into multiple entities that cover various subtasks to be more resilient towards these lawsuits. As to how you'd do that exactly... I have no clue, but someone educated in law might.

CydeWeys 3y ago

The Internet Archive absolutely should be engaged in activism to expand fair use, protect archivist work, reduce copyright term, etc. What they shouldn't be doing is risking their existence by doing things with shaky legal standing.

InSteady 3y ago
Sure, and MLK should have stuck to marches instead of organizing strikes and other highly effective but risky forms of direct action. Kahle has stated from the outset that he wants to build a digital Library of Alexandria. He wants all media, including books, movies, music, etc to be freely available to anyone curious enough to come and look for it. Sounds like they are continuing to do exactly what they set out to do. Maybe what they shouldn't be doing is staying in some arbitrary lane that 3rd parties have decided they belong in, and instead continue fighting for freedom and universal access in whatever way they see fit.
- ThrowawayTestr 3y ago
  The IA should stick to it's goal of actually being an archive first https://archive.org/post/1126216/kiwi-farms-removed-from-wayback-machine-why https://archive.org/post/1126216/kiwi-farms-removed-from-way...
  - flangola7 3y ago
    The KF pages are not deleted, only hidden from public view. Something they do for anyone or any domain on request. They are still accessible through request by researchers and will be there for future historians, they're just not open where they can be used to further doxxing and other harmful campaigns. I donate to IA on a monthly recurring basis and I'm glad to see them be ethically conscious about their service and prevent it from being weaponized.

jazzyjackson 3y ago

The archive's mission isn't "keep a backup of the internet", it's "Universal Access to All Knowledge"

janosdebugs 3y ago
Maybe IA needs to split itself into multiple entities that cover various subtasks to be more resilient towards these lawsuits. As to how you'd do that exactly... I have no clue, but someone educated in law might.