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Tesla, who also created an internal team with the sole purpose to cancel service appointments and to thwart range complaints... I don't believe anything they ha

Tesla, who also created an internal team with the sole purpose to cancel service appointments and to thwart range complaints... I don't believe anything they have to say. https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-07-27/tesla-range-claims https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2023-07-27/tesla-rang...

mrguyorama 3y ago
And they only needed that internal team to gaslight customers into believing it's normal for lithium batteries to just suck consistently and range estimates are almost always wrong because they use an over-optimistic formula to estimate range INSTEAD of using the industry standard, which is to estimate future range based on remaining fuel/energy and your average economy over the past ten minutes or so, often scaled down a touch to guarantee that the estimate hits zero before you run out of gas/battery They chose this route because claiming they get an extra 40ish miles per charge was more important to them than giving their customers accurate range estimation for the life of the car.
- sockaddr 3y ago
  Yup. On paper you'd almost have to be an idiot to pick something other than a tesla however the reality of its performance doesn't match what they claim. I'm in the market for another car and I periodically compare something to a tesla and it's "Better", but after owning a tesla I know what "Better" actually means.
- jwestbury 3y ago
  Tesla is very good at gaming the EPA's rating system. In testing by Edmunds[0], every single Tesla has underperformed its range estimates in real-world conditions. Meanwhile, 52 of 53 non-Teslas have outperformed their EPA estimates, often by incredible amounts (20% for the BMW iX xDrive50, 59% for the Porsche Taycan, 36% for the Mini Cooper SE). 0. https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-consumption-epa-vs-edmunds.html https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-cons...

mrguyorama 3y ago

And they only needed that internal team to gaslight customers into believing it's normal for lithium batteries to just suck consistently and range estimates are almost always wrong because they use an over-optimistic formula to estimate range INSTEAD of using the industry standard, which is to estimate future range based on remaining fuel/energy and your average economy over the past ten minutes or so, often scaled down a touch to guarantee that the estimate hits zero before you run out of gas/battery They chose this route because claiming they get an extra 40ish miles per charge was more important to them than giving their customers accurate range estimation for the life of the car.

sockaddr 3y ago
Yup. On paper you'd almost have to be an idiot to pick something other than a tesla however the reality of its performance doesn't match what they claim. I'm in the market for another car and I periodically compare something to a tesla and it's "Better", but after owning a tesla I know what "Better" actually means.
jwestbury 3y ago
Tesla is very good at gaming the EPA's rating system. In testing by Edmunds[0], every single Tesla has underperformed its range estimates in real-world conditions. Meanwhile, 52 of 53 non-Teslas have outperformed their EPA estimates, often by incredible amounts (20% for the BMW iX xDrive50, 59% for the Porsche Taycan, 36% for the Mini Cooper SE). 0. https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-consumption-epa-vs-edmunds.html https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-cons...