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If you want to try something different for long roads, you can take a look at Mercedes cars. Not only they are very comfortable and reliable for such, but also

by rvnx 3y ago

If you want to try something different for long roads, you can take a look at Mercedes cars. Not only they are very comfortable and reliable for such, but also the manufacturer takes the legal responsibility when level 3 mode is activated, whereas if you use a Tesla, it is always your responsibility. Means a lot.

honeybadger1 3y ago
You presume too much on what I currently own and have owned. Tesla's software is far superior even with its weaknesses.
- hcazz 3y ago
  Not going to assume what you have and haven't owned before, but your statement here is objectively false: >Tesla's software is far superior even with its weaknesses. https://www.engadget.com/mercedes-becomes-the-first-automaker-to-sell-level-3-self-driving-vehicles-in-california-103504319.html https://www.engadget.com/mercedes-becomes-the-first-automake... If Tesla's software was objectively better, why couldn't they get L3 approval in California?
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - belltaco 3y ago
    Mercedes L3 has significant limitations. It works only on highways, only in daylight, only when there's a lot of traffic, only under 40mph. Tesla's software does not have those limitations, so yes, it's objectively far superior than a glorified 'follow the car in front and do what it does' simple software that Mercedes is pushing.
    - honeybadger1 3y ago
      He or she does not care so I don't even bother. I have already discovered here that people hate Elon therefore hate everything under his eye regardless of the facts around the successes of Tesla's engineering teams that have nothing to do with his personal politics or viewpoints. This is fine, I enjoy my car and since I am the highest authority of myself, I do not need their validation of my personal experiences I have first hand.
      - hcazz 3y ago
        https://www.sae.org/blog/sae-j3016-update https://www.sae.org/blog/sae-j3016-update With Tesla's Autopilot, you are driving the vehicle. With Mercedes new L3 system (which I'm going to assume you haven't ever used, since it isn't available yet on a vehicle for purchase), the vehicle is driving. This isn't about Elon, it's about the capabilities of the vehicle you're sitting in. You're also ignoring TFA -- if Tesla's Autopilot is the best thing on the market, why are they asking officials to redact information on whether or not someone got into accidents while using it?
    - hcazz 3y ago
      Yeah, there are significant limitations to camera based systems. Although for Mercedes, I'd argue it's significantly more than: >'follow the car in front and do what it does' which is describing adaptive cruise control/radar based cruise control which has been on the market in vehicles for over two decades. >Tesla's software does not have those limitations Recklessly enabling a half baked vision only autopilot doesn't mean it's "superior". There's a reason actual self driving car companies (Cruise, Waymo, etc) report disengagements per mile as a means to show how "self driving" their vehicles actually are. Until Tesla self-reports this data, it's nothing but a toy, and I wish folks the best who actually trust their life with it. [0] >Officially, Telsa describes Autopilot as "an SAE Level 2 driving automation system designed to support and assist the driver in performing the driving task," as cited by NHTSA. Autopilot is not an autonomous driving technology, but the new numbers suggest people are treating it that way, sometimes resulting in tragedy. [0] - https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a44185487/report-tesla-autopilot-crashes-since-2019/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a44185487/report-tesla-aut...
- benatkin 3y ago
  Easy to prod and be assured of a fan bias
belltaco 3y ago
> but also the manufacturer takes the legal responsibility when level 3 mode is activated Source? It turns out that was just marketing material from what I have read and they don't actually indemnify you.
Kirby64 3y ago
For long road trips mainly on the highway, I don't think the Mercedes tech is particularly helpful. Their level 3 solution is only level 3 when it's below 40 mph and during the day. Most road trips (at least in the US) are highway >50mph. It seems much more useful for city commuting where < 40 mph is much more common.

by rvnx 3y ago

honeybadger1 3y ago

You presume too much on what I currently own and have owned. Tesla's software is far superior even with its weaknesses.

hcazz 3y ago
Not going to assume what you have and haven't owned before, but your statement here is objectively false: >Tesla's software is far superior even with its weaknesses. https://www.engadget.com/mercedes-becomes-the-first-automaker-to-sell-level-3-self-driving-vehicles-in-california-103504319.html https://www.engadget.com/mercedes-becomes-the-first-automake... If Tesla's software was objectively better, why couldn't they get L3 approval in California?
- deleted 3y ago
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- belltaco 3y ago
  Mercedes L3 has significant limitations. It works only on highways, only in daylight, only when there's a lot of traffic, only under 40mph. Tesla's software does not have those limitations, so yes, it's objectively far superior than a glorified 'follow the car in front and do what it does' simple software that Mercedes is pushing.
  - honeybadger1 3y ago
    He or she does not care so I don't even bother. I have already discovered here that people hate Elon therefore hate everything under his eye regardless of the facts around the successes of Tesla's engineering teams that have nothing to do with his personal politics or viewpoints. This is fine, I enjoy my car and since I am the highest authority of myself, I do not need their validation of my personal experiences I have first hand.
    - hcazz 3y ago
      https://www.sae.org/blog/sae-j3016-update https://www.sae.org/blog/sae-j3016-update With Tesla's Autopilot, you are driving the vehicle. With Mercedes new L3 system (which I'm going to assume you haven't ever used, since it isn't available yet on a vehicle for purchase), the vehicle is driving. This isn't about Elon, it's about the capabilities of the vehicle you're sitting in. You're also ignoring TFA -- if Tesla's Autopilot is the best thing on the market, why are they asking officials to redact information on whether or not someone got into accidents while using it?
  - hcazz 3y ago
    Yeah, there are significant limitations to camera based systems. Although for Mercedes, I'd argue it's significantly more than: >'follow the car in front and do what it does' which is describing adaptive cruise control/radar based cruise control which has been on the market in vehicles for over two decades. >Tesla's software does not have those limitations Recklessly enabling a half baked vision only autopilot doesn't mean it's "superior". There's a reason actual self driving car companies (Cruise, Waymo, etc) report disengagements per mile as a means to show how "self driving" their vehicles actually are. Until Tesla self-reports this data, it's nothing but a toy, and I wish folks the best who actually trust their life with it. [0] >Officially, Telsa describes Autopilot as "an SAE Level 2 driving automation system designed to support and assist the driver in performing the driving task," as cited by NHTSA. Autopilot is not an autonomous driving technology, but the new numbers suggest people are treating it that way, sometimes resulting in tragedy. [0] - https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a44185487/report-tesla-autopilot-crashes-since-2019/ https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a44185487/report-tesla-aut...
benatkin 3y ago
Easy to prod and be assured of a fan bias

belltaco 3y ago

> but also the manufacturer takes the legal responsibility when level 3 mode is activated Source? It turns out that was just marketing material from what I have read and they don't actually indemnify you.

Kirby64 3y ago

For long road trips mainly on the highway, I don't think the Mercedes tech is particularly helpful. Their level 3 solution is only level 3 when it's below 40 mph and during the day. Most road trips (at least in the US) are highway >50mph. It seems much more useful for city commuting where < 40 mph is much more common.