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I'm sorry? Every single state in the US has government-provided identification.

• nottorp 3y ago
  Why doesn't anyone check it then?
  • alistairSH 3y ago
    Even with RealID, state-issued IDs aren't intended to be general proof of ID. It's pretty weird - they're ok for domestic travel and entering federal facilities, so you'd think they were a good general purpose ID, but they explicitly aren't that.
    • landemva 3y ago
      > they're ok for domestic travel No ID is required for domestic travel, even at big airports. Just be pleasant and explain that you misplaced it. I have misplaced ID several times, and only once I signed a piece of paper which roughly said that I am I because I say so.
      • NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
        Heh heh heh, I take it that you've never been through a Border Patrol checkpoint which wasn't at the border. They checkpoint all the thoroughfares near Mexico and I reminded my Spanish fiancée to carry her passport as we traveled domestically, and I was completely correct.
        • landemva 3y ago
          What were you correct about? Non-Americans are in the country by permission, not by right. Americans who consent are on their knees.
          • NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
            Do you really think CBP is in the business of waving through Hispanic-looking-and-sounding people with no ID for whatever reason? I'm not saying they'd get deported, but I wouldn't be surprised at detention/questioning for a while. Law enforcement usually has ways of checking ID by radio/computer, so it may be a short stop, but still.
      • FireBeyond 3y ago
        For now. Though that can has been kicked down the road, the latest drop dead date is May 7, 2025: > On May 7, 2025, U.S. travelers must be REAL ID compliant to board domestic flights and access certain federal facilities. Source: https://www.dhs.gov/real-id https://www.dhs.gov/real-id
        • ghaff 3y ago
          I was utterly shocked 5 or 6 years ago when I somehow managed to lose my driver's license between my curbside dropoff and the airport door. To this day no idea what happened. Normally, I'd have had my backup travel ID/credit card/cash kit but, hey, this was a last minute couple night trip so I went light. Figured that was that. But as it turned out really wasn't a major issue much to my surprise. What was an issue was getting checked into the hotel I had been able to find for the event near the airport (Travelodge). I even had a photo company security badge, credit cards, etc. Eventually they let me, with great reluctance pay cash, which fortunately fleabag was cheap enough that my withdrawal limit covered. Thought I was going to have to call SV friends and find somewhere to sleep--or at least pay some ridiculous amount for the last room at some hotel where I belonged to their loyalty program. But TSA was actually not a real issue.
        • landemva 3y ago
          Thanks for that link to a bureaucrat website. Where is the law? Unconstitutional laws and regulations are on the books until someone is harmed and challenges it in court.
          • Sohcahtoa82 3y ago
            It's not a law, it's a DHS policy. Said DHS policy is not infringing on your right to travel. You can still hire a private jet or fly yourself. The airline companies will just simply refuse to fly you, which they have the right to do.
            • FireBeyond 3y ago
              > It's not a law, it's a DHS policy. What? It's the REAL ID Act of 2005. 8 USC 1101. It's absolutely a law. (Also 49 USC 30301).
      • nottorp 3y ago
        So from the outside, it basically looks like this identity theft problem is self inflicted.
    • elashri 3y ago
      I think they are still better than my birth date, my mother middle name and whatever this SSN is. Which is basically something that I am barely the only person to know.
• darth_avocado 3y ago
  And a birth certificate, a passport, a marriage certificate etc. to name a few others.
  • landemva 3y ago
    Marriage license is voluntary. Read your State law about powers of clerk of court (or whoever issues that license in your State). And consider what benefit you get by paying for that license, or if you can stand on your own feet without asking for a permission slip license. Everything you listed is voluntary, at least in USA.
    • FireBeyond 3y ago
      > Everything you listed is voluntary, at least in USA. That isn't true: > What Happens If You Don’t Register a Birth? > By law, newborns must be registered within 10 days of their birth. > In terms of legality, not registering the birth of a child is a violation of the law and a punishable crime. Depending on the state, the parents may be fined, charged with imprisonment, or have to face other legal consequences.
      • munk-a 3y ago
        Yea, but that's specifically the only one that isn't optional. Almost all other forms of ID are voluntary as long as you understand that voluntary means you accept not participating in some privileged activities (like driving a car on a road for a drivers license). The US is actually insane about how little identification they require from residents and also not great about how expensive it can be to acquire certain forms of ID.
        • FireBeyond 3y ago
          Right. But elsewhere in comments, the parent is talking about how you just "obtain a passport, it doesn't need an SSN or home address". I'm curious how one obtains a US passport without a birth certificate or SSN. (But yes, issuance of a passport is "optional").
• munk-a 3y ago
  None of it is mandatory - there are plenty of people in the US without any government provided identification and it costs money to acquire such an ID. The only one you can't really dodge is a birth certificate.
• lotsofpulp 3y ago
  Not to mention the federal US government provides passports.