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Calling something idiotic without details is an empty objection. Calling two of the most powerful thought experiments in philosophy of mind and consciousness i
by ryanklee 3y ago
Calling something idiotic without details is an empty objection.
Calling two of the most powerful thought experiments in philosophy of mind and consciousness idiotic without details is less than empty, it's ridiculous.
My objection has nothing to do with "links". I am objecting to the method of acting as if there haven't been hundreds and hundreds of years of work on this subject. That's not an empty objection. It's pointing out that the method is wrong. Which is a substantive point. It doesn't have to be followed up with my own naive theory on the subject to be so.
- bondarchuk 3y agoChinese room -> systems reply. That should've settled it right then and there. For zombies, similarly straightforward objections exist. The problem is rather that people's capacity for logical thinking shuts down when consciousness is involved. I think not engaging with such obviously wrong arguments would be an improvement for even a random HNer's armchair musings.
- akasakahakada 3y agoI would say that Chinese Room is just simply a subclass of recursive nonsense that solely rely on ignorance of emergent properties of substance. Likewise Chinese Roomer must never reject the idea that human means nothing because human's composite parts a.k.a atoms do not think or talk or being 'conscious'. But they can't reject. Because they must stand for the point that human is conscious. Simultaneously this bring to a contradictory. It is mind boggling why folks think it is valid argument.