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No, you're correct: it being China is the main reason. And it's a sufficient reason for banning it in my mind: cyber warfare is real warfare. It is understood t

No, you're correct: it being China is the main reason. And it's a sufficient reason for banning it in my mind: cyber warfare is real warfare. It is understood that the government is spying on users of social media (one of several reasons I don't use any either). It's embarrassing for them to admit it, and it undermines any other arguments they could try to make about it, though. If you are claiming a moral high ground, you can't just openly admit you're as bad as the other guy.

pixelatedindex 3y ago
How do you spy on users of social media? Are we talking surreptitiously getting access to cameras/microphone or just getting data on user behavior? The former is obviously a major issue, but the latter can be obtained by anyone because tracking for ads is so ubiquitous and China can just pay to get it.
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- dleeftink 3y ago
  Quite a few ways, whether through device/session fingerprinting [1], in-app browser keystroke tracking [2], frequent third-party post requests [3], individiual app usage patterns [4], geo-tracking [5], dark-patterned user onboarding [6] and continual facial recognition [7]. A canary blog series kicked off by the company itself is worth keeping an eye on to see the 'myths' they want to debunk most scrupously (such as keytracking)[8]. [1]: https://www.nullpt.rs/reverse-engineering-tiktok-vm-1 https://www.nullpt.rs/reverse-engineering-tiktok-vm-1 [2]: https://krausefx.com/blog/announcing-inappbrowsercom-see-what-javascript-commands-get-executed-in-an-in-app-browser https://krausefx.com/blog/announcing-inappbrowsercom-see-wha... [3]: https://app.urlgeni.us/blog/new-research-across-200-ios-apps-hints-surveillance-marketing-may-still-be-going-strong https://app.urlgeni.us/blog/new-research-across-200-ios-apps... [4]: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/05/business/media/tiktok-algorithm.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/05/business/media/tiktok-alg... [5]: https://www.afr.com/technology/tiktok-admits-collecting-location-data-20230309-p5cqo8 https://www.afr.com/technology/tiktok-admits-collecting-loca... [6]: https://au.reset.tech/uploads/resettechaustralia_policymemo_tiktok_final_online.pdf https://au.reset.tech/uploads/resettechaustralia_policymemo_... [7]: https://www.npr.org/2021/02/25/971460327/tiktok-to-pay-92-million-to-settle-class-action-suit-over-theft-of-personal-data https://www.npr.org/2021/02/25/971460327/tiktok-to-pay-92-mi... [8]: https://newsroom.tiktok.com/en-us/tiktok-truths-a-new-series-on-our-privacy-and-data-security-practices https://newsroom.tiktok.com/en-us/tiktok-truths-a-new-series...
  - pixelatedindex 3y ago
    Thank you, this is insightful.

pixelatedindex 3y ago

How do you spy on users of social media? Are we talking surreptitiously getting access to cameras/microphone or just getting data on user behavior? The former is obviously a major issue, but the latter can be obtained by anyone because tracking for ads is so ubiquitous and China can just pay to get it.

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dleeftink 3y ago
Quite a few ways, whether through device/session fingerprinting [1], in-app browser keystroke tracking [2], frequent third-party post requests [3], individiual app usage patterns [4], geo-tracking [5], dark-patterned user onboarding [6] and continual facial recognition [7]. A canary blog series kicked off by the company itself is worth keeping an eye on to see the 'myths' they want to debunk most scrupously (such as keytracking)[8]. [1]: https://www.nullpt.rs/reverse-engineering-tiktok-vm-1 https://www.nullpt.rs/reverse-engineering-tiktok-vm-1 [2]: https://krausefx.com/blog/announcing-inappbrowsercom-see-what-javascript-commands-get-executed-in-an-in-app-browser https://krausefx.com/blog/announcing-inappbrowsercom-see-wha... [3]: https://app.urlgeni.us/blog/new-research-across-200-ios-apps-hints-surveillance-marketing-may-still-be-going-strong https://app.urlgeni.us/blog/new-research-across-200-ios-apps... [4]: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/05/business/media/tiktok-algorithm.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/05/business/media/tiktok-alg... [5]: https://www.afr.com/technology/tiktok-admits-collecting-location-data-20230309-p5cqo8 https://www.afr.com/technology/tiktok-admits-collecting-loca... [6]: https://au.reset.tech/uploads/resettechaustralia_policymemo_tiktok_final_online.pdf https://au.reset.tech/uploads/resettechaustralia_policymemo_... [7]: https://www.npr.org/2021/02/25/971460327/tiktok-to-pay-92-million-to-settle-class-action-suit-over-theft-of-personal-data https://www.npr.org/2021/02/25/971460327/tiktok-to-pay-92-mi... [8]: https://newsroom.tiktok.com/en-us/tiktok-truths-a-new-series-on-our-privacy-and-data-security-practices https://newsroom.tiktok.com/en-us/tiktok-truths-a-new-series...
- pixelatedindex 3y ago
  Thank you, this is insightful.