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My thinking is that frequent partner The Library of Congress can put a stop to this by buying the Internet Archive. Make it a government body and protect all th

by causi 3y ago

My thinking is that frequent partner The Library of Congress can put a stop to this by buying the Internet Archive. Make it a government body and protect all that digital content. So instead of losing all the copyrighted content piece by piece we lose access to it all at once? Someone needs to save the Internet Archives from the lawyers and I have an idea More like someone needs to save the Internet Archive from Brewster Kahle. He and all of us knew the rules of the game: the IA was allowed to illegally host copyrighted content that wasn't making them money as long as it wasn't being exploited by the copyright holders and they paid lip service to IP law with things like controlled borrowing. Then they kicked the anthill with the emergency library. We pulled our hair out warning them not to and they did it anyway. Maybe their actions were morally justified but they were just so blisteringly stupid that it's hard not to feel betrayed.

snapetom 3y ago
> More like someone needs to save the Internet Archive from Brewster Kahle. Can't vote this enough. As flawed as the rules are, you know them. The rules should be changed, but you don't change them by blatantly breaking them in the most flagrant way possible.
- causi 3y ago
  Right. If IA wants to spin off a legally-separate "Red Team" of radical activists to demonstrate how ignoring copyright laws enriches us all, I'll be happy to donate. Using the IA for this is reckless and doomed to failure. Do you think Sci-Hub would've survived if they'd started flouting the law as a California-based nonprofit with hundreds of employees? Hell no.
renewiltord 3y ago
None of you guys built this. Brewster Kahle did. Everyone fantasizes about how they would have sold at the top. But you won't. Ultimately, the Internet Archive took balls. That was the defining attribute. And the guy with balls was always going to take it farther than just that. That's what it means to have balls. All the guys who fantasize that they would have stopped at the perfect stopping point would have never started. You can run a mirror now. You can run a crawler now. Heritrix is free software. The IA dump is retrievable. What's stopping you from making The Compliant Internet Archive? Nothing really except for the fact that none of the armchair quarterbacks have even seen what a ball looks like.
- InSteady 3y ago
  This needs to be said in every single thread where the IA comes up. With all the pearl clutching about how "irresponsible" and "reckless" Kahle is, you would think he owes something personally to each and every one of us. He's fighting tooth and nail for what he believes in. Anyone who doesn't like that should go build something of their own and fight in the way that they see fit.
  - causi 3y ago
    He's fighting tooth and nail for what he believes in. Anyone who doesn't like that should go build something of their own and fight in the way that they see fit. Why does this apply to Brewster Kahle and not, say, Elon Musk?

by causi 3y ago

snapetom 3y ago

> More like someone needs to save the Internet Archive from Brewster Kahle. Can't vote this enough. As flawed as the rules are, you know them. The rules should be changed, but you don't change them by blatantly breaking them in the most flagrant way possible.

causi 3y ago
Right. If IA wants to spin off a legally-separate "Red Team" of radical activists to demonstrate how ignoring copyright laws enriches us all, I'll be happy to donate. Using the IA for this is reckless and doomed to failure. Do you think Sci-Hub would've survived if they'd started flouting the law as a California-based nonprofit with hundreds of employees? Hell no.

renewiltord 3y ago

None of you guys built this. Brewster Kahle did. Everyone fantasizes about how they would have sold at the top. But you won't. Ultimately, the Internet Archive took balls. That was the defining attribute. And the guy with balls was always going to take it farther than just that. That's what it means to have balls. All the guys who fantasize that they would have stopped at the perfect stopping point would have never started. You can run a mirror now. You can run a crawler now. Heritrix is free software. The IA dump is retrievable. What's stopping you from making The Compliant Internet Archive? Nothing really except for the fact that none of the armchair quarterbacks have even seen what a ball looks like.

InSteady 3y ago
This needs to be said in every single thread where the IA comes up. With all the pearl clutching about how "irresponsible" and "reckless" Kahle is, you would think he owes something personally to each and every one of us. He's fighting tooth and nail for what he believes in. Anyone who doesn't like that should go build something of their own and fight in the way that they see fit.
- causi 3y ago
  He's fighting tooth and nail for what he believes in. Anyone who doesn't like that should go build something of their own and fight in the way that they see fit. Why does this apply to Brewster Kahle and not, say, Elon Musk?