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I think you have your rose-colored glasses on when looking at the past. Air pollution: down since the 1990s. [1][2][3] Water pollution: down since the 1990s.
by enoch_r 3y ago
I think you have your rose-colored glasses on when looking at the past.
Air pollution: down since the 1990s. [1][2][3]
Water pollution: down since the 1990s. [4][5]
Noise/light pollution: definitely up since the 1990s, agreed there.
Cancer: US deaths are way down since the 1990s, though it's cheating a bit since that was the top of the smoking-related spike in lung cancer. Still, other cancer deaths are way down since then too. [6][7] (Edit: worldwide this looks worse and things have increased lately, see: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-people-with-cancer-by-age?facet=metric https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-people-with-can...)
Heart disease: can't find long term stats on this quickly, but cardiovascular mortality is way down. [8]
Obesity, addiction, and suicide: certainly up.
"Much worse environmental impact," I think the decline in air and water pollution makes this debatable.
Climate change is a bit of a weird one, because it's definitely getting worse, but at the same time, the worst-case scenarios (greenhouse gas emissions continue unabated into the indefinite future) is becoming less likely. [9] So the derivative is bad, but the second derivative is good.
[1] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/death-rates-from-air-pollution?country=~USA https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/death-rates-from-air-poll...
[2] https://www.slowboring.com/p/wildfires-have-partially-reversed?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=159185&post_id=126860879&isFreemail=false https://www.slowboring.com/p/wildfires-have-partially-revers...
[3] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/death-rates-from-air-pollution https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/death-rates-from-air-poll...
[4] https://www.slowboring.com/p/the-good-news-on-americas-cleaner?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email https://www.slowboring.com/p/the-good-news-on-americas-clean...
[5] https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/water-and-sanitation?tab=chart&facet=none&country=IND~USA~KEN~OWID_WRL~BGD~ZAF~CHN&Resource=Drinking+water&Level+of+Access=Safely+managed&Residence=Total&Relative+to+population=Share+of+population https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/water-and-sanitation?ta...
[6] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cancer-death-rates-in-the-us https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cancer-death-rates-in-the...
[7] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cancer-death-rates?tab=chart https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cancer-death-rates?tab=ch...
[8] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5268076/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5268076/
[9] https://www.slowboring.com/p/people-need-to-hear-the-good-news?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email https://www.slowboring.com/p/people-need-to-hear-the-good-ne...
- DanBC 3y ago> Cancer: US deaths are way down since the 1990s, though it's cheating a bit since that was the top of the smoking-related spike in lung cancer. Still, other cancer deaths are way down since then too. [6][7] (Edit: worldwide this looks worse and things have increased lately, see: <a href="https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-people-with-cancer-by-age?facet=metric">https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-people-with-can...</a> https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-people-with-can...) > Heart disease: can't find long term stats on this quickly, but cardiovascular mortality is way down. [8] And these two are linked. If most people get their cancer in their 70s, but they're dying of heart attacks in their 50s, anything that stops people dying of heart attacks is going to increase the number of people getting cancer.
- checkyoursudo 3y agoI don't have any quibble with your stats. Thanks for supplying them. I was kidding about the 1990s. :) Have you seen the maps that show where PFAS are? (Nearly everywhere.) Micro and macro plastics? (Pretty much everywhere.) Pollution (air and water) is absolutely up from pre-industrial levels. Look, I am really not saying that now is worse than any time in the past. I think things are pretty good right now, except for a few real tragic issues and localities. All I am saying is that I am not 100% sure that now is undeniably better than at any time in the past of human history. I think your stats make a pretty compelling case that the story is a bit mixed at the moment, especially depending on how someone might define what the best time to be alive would entail. (Really, the 90s thing was just a joke.)