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> Forbes reports that the draft agreement, dated Summer 2022, would have given the US government agencies like the Department of Justice and Department of Defen

> Forbes reports that the draft agreement, dated Summer 2022, would have given the US government agencies like the Department of Justice and Department of Defense far more access to TikTok’s operations than that of any other social media company. The agreement would let agencies examine TikTok’s US facilities, records, and servers with minimal prior notice and veto the hiring of any executive involved with leading TikTok US data security organization. It would also let US agencies block changes to the app’s terms of service in the US and order the company to subject itself to various audits, all on TikTok’s dime, per Forbes. In extreme cases, the agreement would allow government organizations to demand TikTok temporarily shut off functioning in the US. Can you share evidence that US regulators are holding US-based social media companies to all of these same requirements?

rrdharan 3y ago
They aren’t, the point is they don’t trust Byte Dance at all, and with good reason.
hgsgm 3y ago
From the perspective of the US government, there's a minor differentce between US companies and foreign companies. You can spot it.
- juanani 3y ago
  I.E protectionism
JumpCrisscross 3y ago
> Can you share evidence that US regulators are holding US-based social media companies to all of these same requirements? This moves goalposts. American social media companies don’t have CCP members in their senior ranks. The problem is the “records and servers” bit could let the Feds execute illegal searches on any American’s data with zero oversight. Not that we’re being mean to TikTok.
- goodbyesf 3y ago
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  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > Here comes the moronic ccp nonsense. Like clockwork. This isn't an argument.
    - goodbyesf 3y ago
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      - ethanbond 3y ago
        Does CCP not exist? Does it exist but isn’t a problem to US security? Does it exist, it is a problem, but not at TikTok specifically? What’s the claim here?
      - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
        > Neither is your tired and boring ccp nonsense Again, this isn't an argument. There are credible questions regarding ByteDance's independence from the CCP [1][2][3]. They have a track record of censoring anti-Chinese content, e.g. regarding the Tianamen Square massacre [4][5]. Anyone claiming claims of CCP infiltration into ByteDance are "nonsense" is operating outside the window of evidence. [1] https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/03/24/problem-tiktoks-claim-independence-beijing https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/03/24/problem-tiktoks-claim-in... [2] https://www.wsj.com/articles/former-bytedance-executive-claims-chinese-communist-party-accessed-tiktoks-hong-kong-user-data-e9d5554f https://www.wsj.com/articles/former-bytedance-executive-clai... [3] https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/doj-investigating-tiktok-owners-surveillance-us-journalists-sources/story?id=97945747 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/doj-investigating-tiktok-own... [4] https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49826155 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49826155 [5] https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/13/21366488/bytedance-censor-anti-china-content-babe-tiananmen-square-mao-zedong https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/13/21366488/bytedance-censor...
echelon 3y ago
> Can you share evidence that US regulators are holding US-based social media companies to all of these same requirements? This is whataboutism, but I'll answer anyway. This article concerns the actions of a US governmental agency known as CFIUS. CFIUS is not concerned with domestic issues, but rather foreign intrusions that impair national security: foreign businesses spying on US soil, foreign entities buying controlling interests in US companies and technologies, foreign real estate purchases near sensitive locations, etc. It is a regulatory body that can block sales and mergers and put a stop to such activities. CFIUS wants the ability to audit TikTok so that it can ascertain the extent to which is or can be used to spy on US targets. From this data, they can themselves block certain business activities or recommend further actions to be taken by the government.

rrdharan 3y ago

They aren’t, the point is they don’t trust Byte Dance at all, and with good reason.

hgsgm 3y ago

From the perspective of the US government, there's a minor differentce between US companies and foreign companies. You can spot it.

juanani 3y ago
I.E protectionism

JumpCrisscross 3y ago

> Can you share evidence that US regulators are holding US-based social media companies to all of these same requirements? This moves goalposts. American social media companies don’t have CCP members in their senior ranks. The problem is the “records and servers” bit could let the Feds execute illegal searches on any American’s data with zero oversight. Not that we’re being mean to TikTok.

goodbyesf 3y ago
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- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > Here comes the moronic ccp nonsense. Like clockwork. This isn't an argument.
  - goodbyesf 3y ago
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    - ethanbond 3y ago
      Does CCP not exist? Does it exist but isn’t a problem to US security? Does it exist, it is a problem, but not at TikTok specifically? What’s the claim here?
    - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
      > Neither is your tired and boring ccp nonsense Again, this isn't an argument. There are credible questions regarding ByteDance's independence from the CCP [1][2][3]. They have a track record of censoring anti-Chinese content, e.g. regarding the Tianamen Square massacre [4][5]. Anyone claiming claims of CCP infiltration into ByteDance are "nonsense" is operating outside the window of evidence. [1] https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/03/24/problem-tiktoks-claim-independence-beijing https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/03/24/problem-tiktoks-claim-in... [2] https://www.wsj.com/articles/former-bytedance-executive-claims-chinese-communist-party-accessed-tiktoks-hong-kong-user-data-e9d5554f https://www.wsj.com/articles/former-bytedance-executive-clai... [3] https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/doj-investigating-tiktok-owners-surveillance-us-journalists-sources/story?id=97945747 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/doj-investigating-tiktok-own... [4] https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49826155 https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-49826155 [5] https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/13/21366488/bytedance-censor-anti-china-content-babe-tiananmen-square-mao-zedong https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/13/21366488/bytedance-censor...

echelon 3y ago

> Can you share evidence that US regulators are holding US-based social media companies to all of these same requirements? This is whataboutism, but I'll answer anyway. This article concerns the actions of a US governmental agency known as CFIUS. CFIUS is not concerned with domestic issues, but rather foreign intrusions that impair national security: foreign businesses spying on US soil, foreign entities buying controlling interests in US companies and technologies, foreign real estate purchases near sensitive locations, etc. It is a regulatory body that can block sales and mergers and put a stop to such activities. CFIUS wants the ability to audit TikTok so that it can ascertain the extent to which is or can be used to spy on US targets. From this data, they can themselves block certain business activities or recommend further actions to be taken by the government.