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You call it handwavey, I call it first hand experience. I'm not here to analyze why society seems to operate in this way, I'm here to state the unfortunately ob
by fein 15y ago
You call it handwavey, I call it first hand experience. I'm not here to analyze why society seems to operate in this way, I'm here to state the unfortunately obvious state of the field. Blame it on television, stereotypes, biology, the stigma of the tech fields... I don't care. The fact of the matter is that CS/CE doesn't seem to be something that a significantly large portion of women actually enjoy.
- wpietri 15y agoExactly. You're ok with your ignorance. Which you somehow think exempts you from having to do anything about the problem.
- marshray 15y agoI think if you're going to call someone ignorant, you should back it up with facts or at least put some effort into explaining your own opinion.
- wpietri 15y agoSure! The hacker way is to continuously tinker with systems to improve them. As part of that process, we seek knowledge through analysis, especially the sort of knowledge that provides knobs to tweak. Fein explicitly says "I'm not here to analyze" the system he's participating in. He even goes on to list some potential causes of the negative outcome we're discussing, and then says he doesn't care about the root causes. It's those root causes that he's ignorant of. Not just accidentally ignorant, but admittedly and willfully ignorant of. I don't think that's coincidence. It's a natural human tendency be willfully ignorant of uncomfortable truths. If Fein actually took time to understand the problems keeping women out of CS, he might discover that he was part of the problem, or that the power to improve the situation is in his hands. That's certainly what I discovered when I dug into this stuff. I say his sort of willful ignorance, however understandable is, is exactly the opposite of what hackers are all about.