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While I think it's an interesting idea to have the LOC 'acquire' the Internet Archive, it's not addressing the more fundamental questions around copyright, fair

by laurex 3y ago

While I think it's an interesting idea to have the LOC 'acquire' the Internet Archive, it's not addressing the more fundamental questions around copyright, fair use, public access, and ownership. If we actually tried to create a system, in the context of today's technology, globalism, and ways of creating work, that 'incentivised innovation' or, as it originally was framed, 'Encouragement of Learning' we would not come up with the copyright system we have. That's the conversation I would like to see.

pipo234 3y ago
Very good point, but not at odds. Let's have both: 1. An organization like LoC (or UN sponsored "government" organization) take over the Internet Archive. Let curators curate and conserve. 2. A discussion about reform of copyright, public domain, "intellectual property", incentivizing innovation, etc. [EDIT] And while we're at it: 3. Let's also have a discussion about the legitimacy and desirability of tools and tricks used to enforce corporate lawyer whims (ie.: DRM, 20 page EULAs, cookie banners, terms of service, etc.)
- singleshot_ 3y ago
  As to 3: We have been having that discussion in the courts for decades. The consensus is that the tools we have are at least part of why eight of the top ten global websites are run by American companies. To the extent you want to have a thriving marketplace to ply (what I assume is) your trade, these tools are at least desirable. I do agree that the existence of law that supports these techniques is a choice, and that it’s entirely possible that avoidance of these techniques might win in the marketplace.
  - PhasmaFelis 3y ago
    > The consensus is that the tools we have are at least part of why eight of the top ten global websites are run by American companies. Might be some part of that. I suspect that "richest nation in the world" and "had widespread Internet access years ahead of anyone else" are larger parts.

by laurex 3y ago

pipo234 3y ago

Very good point, but not at odds. Let's have both: 1. An organization like LoC (or UN sponsored "government" organization) take over the Internet Archive. Let curators curate and conserve. 2. A discussion about reform of copyright, public domain, "intellectual property", incentivizing innovation, etc. [EDIT] And while we're at it: 3. Let's also have a discussion about the legitimacy and desirability of tools and tricks used to enforce corporate lawyer whims (ie.: DRM, 20 page EULAs, cookie banners, terms of service, etc.)

singleshot_ 3y ago
As to 3: We have been having that discussion in the courts for decades. The consensus is that the tools we have are at least part of why eight of the top ten global websites are run by American companies. To the extent you want to have a thriving marketplace to ply (what I assume is) your trade, these tools are at least desirable. I do agree that the existence of law that supports these techniques is a choice, and that it’s entirely possible that avoidance of these techniques might win in the marketplace.
- PhasmaFelis 3y ago
  > The consensus is that the tools we have are at least part of why eight of the top ten global websites are run by American companies. Might be some part of that. I suspect that "richest nation in the world" and "had widespread Internet access years ahead of anyone else" are larger parts.