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> We can rethink our cities and move parking to the periphery Just moving parking to the periphery won't make American cities better or more walkable. > Elimi

by sofixa 3y ago

> We can rethink our cities and move parking to the periphery Just moving parking to the periphery won't make American cities better or more walkable. > Eliminating the tedious and dangerous task of driving is an enormous benefit to humanity that will save 30,000+ lives a year in the US alone If you're assuming that self-driving cars will be perfect and segregated, conditions will always be perfect (e.g. no pedestrians or bikes slipping), etc. etc. etc. Why would you? > Eliminating the tedious and dangerous task of driving is an enormous benefit to humanity The vast majority of driving can be replaced by already existing, proven and drastically more efficient tech - public transit.

gmadsen 3y ago
the vast majority of collisions are human error. it doesn't need to reduce 100% to be useful
bookofjoe 3y ago
I've noted this here before, it's worth repeating: We will continue to accept our current 42,000 human-driven-car-related deaths/per year (2022) in the U.S. rather than 420 self-driving-car-related deaths annually for many years. Autonomy is a fierce thing that humans can't bear to part with. >The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has released its latest projections for traffic fatalities in 2022, estimating that 42,795 people died in motor vehicle traffic crashes. This represents a small decrease of about 0.3% as compared to 42,939 fatalities reported for 2021. https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/traffic-crash-death-estimates-2022#:~:text=The%20National%20Highway%20Traffic%20Safety,42%2C939%20fatalities%20reported%20for%202021 https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/traffic-crash-death-est.... Apr 20, 2023
vorpalhex 3y ago
It also won't cure cancer or make me toast in the morning, but being able to move parking has big meaningful advantages that are likely to be leveraged! If you think you can convince the 3rd largest country by landmass in the world to just swap over to trains and buses - great. In the meantime, let's approach other solutions too. Self driving cars are here, are actively used in areas without trains, and seem like they solve some real problems and maybe create a few new ones.
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tbp105 3y ago
> > We can rethink our cities and move parking to the periphery > Just moving parking to the periphery won't make American cities better or more walkable. It certainly can make cities better. Removing street parking allows streets to be narrower, giving us room for larger sidewalks, bikepaths, outdoor seating in restaurants. > > Eliminating the tedious and dangerous task of driving is an enormous benefit to humanity that will save 30,000+ lives a year in the US alone > If you're assuming that self-driving cars will be perfect and segregated, conditions will always be perfect (e.g. no pedestrians or bikes slipping), etc. etc. etc. Why would you? Humans definitely aren't perfect, that's why there are so many collisions, deaths and injuries. Many of those occur in "ideal" conditions due to distracted driving. In exceptional conditions (where people, bikes, animals run into the road), humans have a pretty poor response too. You'd have to run the numbers (like insurance companies) to determine when they are generally better than humans. There's also no reason you couldn't delegate parts of the road system as autonomous only, we already have areas that are pickup/dropoff or taxi only. Just expand them. > > Eliminating the tedious and dangerous task of driving is an enormous benefit to humanity > The vast majority of driving can be replaced by already existing, proven and drastically more efficient tech - public transit. Why not both? Put in your destination in an app and if there are enough people on the way, an autonomous bus can pick you up. If not, an autonomous car does.
ctoth 3y ago
There's a phrase you should probably learn. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

by sofixa 3y ago

gmadsen 3y ago

the vast majority of collisions are human error. it doesn't need to reduce 100% to be useful

bookofjoe 3y ago

I've noted this here before, it's worth repeating: We will continue to accept our current 42,000 human-driven-car-related deaths/per year (2022) in the U.S. rather than 420 self-driving-car-related deaths annually for many years. Autonomy is a fierce thing that humans can't bear to part with. >The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration has released its latest projections for traffic fatalities in 2022, estimating that 42,795 people died in motor vehicle traffic crashes. This represents a small decrease of about 0.3% as compared to 42,939 fatalities reported for 2021. https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/traffic-crash-death-estimates-2022#:~:text=The%20National%20Highway%20Traffic%20Safety,42%2C939%20fatalities%20reported%20for%202021 https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/traffic-crash-death-est.... Apr 20, 2023

vorpalhex 3y ago

It also won't cure cancer or make me toast in the morning, but being able to move parking has big meaningful advantages that are likely to be leveraged! If you think you can convince the 3rd largest country by landmass in the world to just swap over to trains and buses - great. In the meantime, let's approach other solutions too. Self driving cars are here, are actively used in areas without trains, and seem like they solve some real problems and maybe create a few new ones.

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tbp105 3y ago

> > We can rethink our cities and move parking to the periphery > Just moving parking to the periphery won't make American cities better or more walkable. It certainly can make cities better. Removing street parking allows streets to be narrower, giving us room for larger sidewalks, bikepaths, outdoor seating in restaurants. > > Eliminating the tedious and dangerous task of driving is an enormous benefit to humanity that will save 30,000+ lives a year in the US alone > If you're assuming that self-driving cars will be perfect and segregated, conditions will always be perfect (e.g. no pedestrians or bikes slipping), etc. etc. etc. Why would you? Humans definitely aren't perfect, that's why there are so many collisions, deaths and injuries. Many of those occur in "ideal" conditions due to distracted driving. In exceptional conditions (where people, bikes, animals run into the road), humans have a pretty poor response too. You'd have to run the numbers (like insurance companies) to determine when they are generally better than humans. There's also no reason you couldn't delegate parts of the road system as autonomous only, we already have areas that are pickup/dropoff or taxi only. Just expand them. > > Eliminating the tedious and dangerous task of driving is an enormous benefit to humanity > The vast majority of driving can be replaced by already existing, proven and drastically more efficient tech - public transit. Why not both? Put in your destination in an app and if there are enough people on the way, an autonomous bus can pick you up. If not, an autonomous car does.

ctoth 3y ago

There's a phrase you should probably learn. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.