I can conceive of the society, yes, I think we both probably live in one. It won't be obvious to everyone that a certain action is horrific, this is also true.

I can conceive of the society, yes, I think we both probably live in one. It won't be obvious to everyone that a certain action is horrific, this is also true. Which is why I take a more firm stance on not initiating aggression on peaceful people, it short circuits all tribalism and fervor in favor of a principle which before all other action must be followed. This also isn't readily obvious to everyone necessarily, but it also provides me the latitude to defend myself from the initiation of agression by others, so it doesnt necessirily need to. That's not really what I am getting at though. You as an individual, I think should consider leaning into the horrific scenarios made possible by an ends justify the means framework and consider whether other moral frameworks are more appropriate. Of course people will always do what people do, it doesn't follow that they are justified in doing so.