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It's really weird the spin on this. Space X rockets (and others) blow up all the time, it's part of the R&D process. So not sure why this is being reported so n

by retube 3y ago

It's really weird the spin on this. Space X rockets (and others) blow up all the time, it's part of the R&D process. So not sure why this is being reported so negatively (well, actually, I do, of course...)

Scalene2 3y ago
Because this was not an R&D mission?
bkor 3y ago
> It's really weird the spin on this. The "spin" is coming from you. > Space X rockets (and others) blow up all the time SpaceX has done ~227 successful Falcon missions in a row. Those rockets do NOT "blow up all the time". Further, the success rate of the Falcon 9 is 247/249. Meaning, 99.20%. For the block 5 variant it is 192/192 or 100% success rate. SpaceX is also developing some rockets. You seem to be comparing rockets which are under development and where SpaceX often gives a low probability of success with missions that are supposed to work. The development rockets are NOT in production, they are NOT used to bring cargo in space. It's really apples vs oranges. > So not sure why this is being reported so negatively (well, actually, I do, of course...) Instead of giving some stupid hint just say what you wanted to say. Up to now what you said doesn't make sense to me, so no why not explain the rest as well.
DetroitThrow 3y ago
>well, actually, I do, of course... I think it's because Luna-24 nearly 5 decades ago was a success, and reported Soviet success rates of their probe programs were 100% (despite the actual number being lower), alongside some cheekiness due to Russian timeline being chosen to land just before the Indian mission. I don't think that such a failure of a 50 year old technology with a previous "100%" success rate is that weird for people to have such a take about. I think it is weird that you suggest SpaceX rockets are blowing up all the time, when a much more direct and accurate comparison would be the Japanese/Israeli lander failure. Do we consider Japan/Israel serious contenders to NASA/ESA in space here? Probably not in the same way as India and China.
pavlov 3y ago
It wasn't a rocket that blew up. The launch was successful. Something failed on the Luna 25 spacecraft itself when it was moving to a pre-landing orbit, and it crashed into the Moon. That kind of thing just doesn't happen to NASA and ESA very much.

by retube 3y ago

Scalene2 3y ago

Because this was not an R&D mission?

bkor 3y ago

> It's really weird the spin on this. The "spin" is coming from you. > Space X rockets (and others) blow up all the time SpaceX has done ~227 successful Falcon missions in a row. Those rockets do NOT "blow up all the time". Further, the success rate of the Falcon 9 is 247/249. Meaning, 99.20%. For the block 5 variant it is 192/192 or 100% success rate. SpaceX is also developing some rockets. You seem to be comparing rockets which are under development and where SpaceX often gives a low probability of success with missions that are supposed to work. The development rockets are NOT in production, they are NOT used to bring cargo in space. It's really apples vs oranges. > So not sure why this is being reported so negatively (well, actually, I do, of course...) Instead of giving some stupid hint just say what you wanted to say. Up to now what you said doesn't make sense to me, so no why not explain the rest as well.

DetroitThrow 3y ago

>well, actually, I do, of course... I think it's because Luna-24 nearly 5 decades ago was a success, and reported Soviet success rates of their probe programs were 100% (despite the actual number being lower), alongside some cheekiness due to Russian timeline being chosen to land just before the Indian mission. I don't think that such a failure of a 50 year old technology with a previous "100%" success rate is that weird for people to have such a take about. I think it is weird that you suggest SpaceX rockets are blowing up all the time, when a much more direct and accurate comparison would be the Japanese/Israeli lander failure. Do we consider Japan/Israel serious contenders to NASA/ESA in space here? Probably not in the same way as India and China.

pavlov 3y ago

It wasn't a rocket that blew up. The launch was successful. Something failed on the Luna 25 spacecraft itself when it was moving to a pre-landing orbit, and it crashed into the Moon. That kind of thing just doesn't happen to NASA and ESA very much.