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Consultants who get teens into sororities: “I told her: your TikToks are cringe”

13 points by jakubmazanec 3y ago

ggm 3y ago
Are there consultants who help deprogram young men & women to stop them wanting to join sororities and fraternities?
- Angostura 3y ago
  Are these a purely US thing? They don't seem to exist in UK universities
  - OfSanguineFire 3y ago
    I wonder if lack of a fraternity and sorority scene in the UK, is due to the fact networking among the children of the elites in the UK starts even earlier in life, at public schools. Historically, by the time you went up to a university, you were already well set on an elite path.
  - brudgers 3y ago
    The UK is a state sponsor of royalty. There's no room to build one in the private sector.
    - ggm 3y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullingdon_Club https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullingdon_Club https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_University_of_Oxford_dining_clubs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_University_of_Oxford_d... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Apostles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Apostles
- senttoschool 3y ago
  No reason to hate sororities and frats because we nerds couldn't join or didn't want to join.
  - mdhb 3y ago
    Still… you have to admit that it’s a pretty weird and distinctly American concept where you essentially pay to have friends.
    - orangepurple 3y ago
      You are joining a cult which doubles as a long term support group. Since race and shared experience are no longer unifying social pillars, frats and sororities fill the void. Initiates pledge allegiance and loyalty to the cult and its goals and these commitments are verified through psychological tests.
      - sjsdaiuasgdia 3y ago
        Sounds terrible and inferior to genuine relationships.
        orangepurple 3y ago
        Especially since the psychological tests often involve physical torture. It becomes the shared experience that initiates bond over.
    - drewcoo 3y ago
      Paying to have friends sounds a lot like "college" in general to this nerd. I was always told "wait until you get to college and you'll find those people." Plus there's the common narrative of college friends you'll have for the rest of your life.
      - mdhb 3y ago
        Yeah it wasn’t my experience either to be fair, I don’t talk to a single person from that time any longer. I found some of those experiences elsewhere in life though and I hope you did too!
  - ryanklee 3y ago
- OfSanguineFire 3y ago
  Sororities and fraternities are one thing. But young men and women and their families in the USA want to join elite fraternities and sororities because this can give a person a huge advantage in post-university employment, and possibly allow you to extract financial benefits for decades afterward. And this is true of student societies historically and in many other countries today.
  - etrautmann 3y ago
    really? As an (somewhat embarrassed) Ivy league fraternity member, I never saw one example of this actually being true. Networking sure, but greek life is just one, and not even particularly potent form, of job networking. It's possible I was blind to it since I didn't go through corporate recruiting and stayed academic, but it truly didn't seem like anyone's motivation when I was in college.
screye 3y ago
Other than the omnipotent self-appointed leader, a Frat/Sorority satisfies every definition of cult. If you assign some metaphysical form to the Frat-house, then that final exclusion can also be considered satisfied. Remember, as much as we might hate on them, cults provide community. Mormonism started as a cult, and is now a successful religion by every metric we have. The issue with Frats is not the cultishness. It's that they're (practically) imposed onto young-adults at the most vulnerable stage of their life. Frats (the legacy ones at least) by their own admission, breed a strict form of tribalism. 'Us vs Them' mindsets, 'anything for a brother, anything', trauma bonding, infinite cycles of abuse, you name it. These aren't accusations. These are on their marketing pamphlet. Then comes the more recent culture of modern frats. "Drink till you wake up besides a drunk stranger who couldn't possibly have consented"; "Do a kind-of illegal thing to stay in the frat"; or the blatant 'pay2win' nature of it all. I know people in exclusive Ivy-league frats who were initially looked down upon because they weren't white, but were able to buy their way into the Frat, and to be clear I am talking about children of multi-multi-millionaires here. 'Professional Organization'? Hah, more like weaponized nepotism. I hate sounding like a communist here, but this is very much the future capitalistic class. By being able to consistently separate themselves from the labor force, they can both dehumanize the others and collude to ensure the future prosperity of their community. Lots of rich people are rich, not because they provide capitalistic efficiency, but because they effectively function as cartels. Frats aren't exactly popular for producing professionals in the STEM field. Real estate, Car dealerships, Investment Banking and Politics seem to be the most common stereotypical professions. All of these professions are known for nepotism, cartelizing and corruption. Complaining about Frats is so early-2000s. But, the article seems to express surprise about the most well-known traits of frats. So I guess I am not being as much of a Captain Obvious as I would've thought.
uslic001 3y ago
Fraternities are not for everyone but I enjoyed my time in one. I am still close friends with at least 20 of my fraternity brothers. We have had several reunions in the past few years where I have seen over 50 of them.

13 points by jakubmazanec 3y ago

ggm 3y ago

Are there consultants who help deprogram young men & women to stop them wanting to join sororities and fraternities?

Angostura 3y ago
Are these a purely US thing? They don't seem to exist in UK universities
- OfSanguineFire 3y ago
  I wonder if lack of a fraternity and sorority scene in the UK, is due to the fact networking among the children of the elites in the UK starts even earlier in life, at public schools. Historically, by the time you went up to a university, you were already well set on an elite path.
- brudgers 3y ago
  The UK is a state sponsor of royalty. There's no room to build one in the private sector.
  - ggm 3y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullingdon_Club https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullingdon_Club https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_University_of_Oxford_dining_clubs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_University_of_Oxford_d... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Apostles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Apostles
senttoschool 3y ago
No reason to hate sororities and frats because we nerds couldn't join or didn't want to join.
- mdhb 3y ago
  Still… you have to admit that it’s a pretty weird and distinctly American concept where you essentially pay to have friends.
  - orangepurple 3y ago
    You are joining a cult which doubles as a long term support group. Since race and shared experience are no longer unifying social pillars, frats and sororities fill the void. Initiates pledge allegiance and loyalty to the cult and its goals and these commitments are verified through psychological tests.
    - sjsdaiuasgdia 3y ago
      Sounds terrible and inferior to genuine relationships.
      - orangepurple 3y ago
        Especially since the psychological tests often involve physical torture. It becomes the shared experience that initiates bond over.
  - drewcoo 3y ago
    Paying to have friends sounds a lot like "college" in general to this nerd. I was always told "wait until you get to college and you'll find those people." Plus there's the common narrative of college friends you'll have for the rest of your life.
    - mdhb 3y ago
      Yeah it wasn’t my experience either to be fair, I don’t talk to a single person from that time any longer. I found some of those experiences elsewhere in life though and I hope you did too!
- ryanklee 3y ago
OfSanguineFire 3y ago
Sororities and fraternities are one thing. But young men and women and their families in the USA want to join elite fraternities and sororities because this can give a person a huge advantage in post-university employment, and possibly allow you to extract financial benefits for decades afterward. And this is true of student societies historically and in many other countries today.
- etrautmann 3y ago
  really? As an (somewhat embarrassed) Ivy league fraternity member, I never saw one example of this actually being true. Networking sure, but greek life is just one, and not even particularly potent form, of job networking. It's possible I was blind to it since I didn't go through corporate recruiting and stayed academic, but it truly didn't seem like anyone's motivation when I was in college.

screye 3y ago

Other than the omnipotent self-appointed leader, a Frat/Sorority satisfies every definition of cult. If you assign some metaphysical form to the Frat-house, then that final exclusion can also be considered satisfied. Remember, as much as we might hate on them, cults provide community. Mormonism started as a cult, and is now a successful religion by every metric we have. The issue with Frats is not the cultishness. It's that they're (practically) imposed onto young-adults at the most vulnerable stage of their life. Frats (the legacy ones at least) by their own admission, breed a strict form of tribalism. 'Us vs Them' mindsets, 'anything for a brother, anything', trauma bonding, infinite cycles of abuse, you name it. These aren't accusations. These are on their marketing pamphlet. Then comes the more recent culture of modern frats. "Drink till you wake up besides a drunk stranger who couldn't possibly have consented"; "Do a kind-of illegal thing to stay in the frat"; or the blatant 'pay2win' nature of it all. I know people in exclusive Ivy-league frats who were initially looked down upon because they weren't white, but were able to buy their way into the Frat, and to be clear I am talking about children of multi-multi-millionaires here. 'Professional Organization'? Hah, more like weaponized nepotism. I hate sounding like a communist here, but this is very much the future capitalistic class. By being able to consistently separate themselves from the labor force, they can both dehumanize the others and collude to ensure the future prosperity of their community. Lots of rich people are rich, not because they provide capitalistic efficiency, but because they effectively function as cartels. Frats aren't exactly popular for producing professionals in the STEM field. Real estate, Car dealerships, Investment Banking and Politics seem to be the most common stereotypical professions. All of these professions are known for nepotism, cartelizing and corruption. Complaining about Frats is so early-2000s. But, the article seems to express surprise about the most well-known traits of frats. So I guess I am not being as much of a Captain Obvious as I would've thought.

uslic001 3y ago

Fraternities are not for everyone but I enjoyed my time in one. I am still close friends with at least 20 of my fraternity brothers. We have had several reunions in the past few years where I have seen over 50 of them.