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its like trying to learn to drive while the car is actively trying to not let you drive. you can do it but its not fun. i want to do a loop, i dont want to lea

its like trying to learn to drive while the car is actively trying to not let you drive. you can do it but its not fun. i want to do a loop, i dont want to learn to be forced to understand indentation. that kills the enthusiasm imo.

zo1 3y ago
It's like learning to drive the car whilst sticking to the rules of the road and staying under the speed limit. It's not supposed to be fun. Besides, I don't know what backwards IDE you used. I've been doing python for 15 years and have never had to manually indent squat, ever. It sounds more like you didn't actually try python but read about the whitespace indentation somewhere and decided to chime in. Either that or you tried it in notepad.
- 2Gkashmiri 3y ago
  i have used notepad for ahk. that's the preferred IDE
  - hwayne 3y ago
    Use VSCode with the AHK extension, it's a million times better than notepad for AHK
  - abwizz 3y ago
    lol'd there once the code gets more elaborate, syntax highlighting and the likes do indeed make ones life easier
Loocid 3y ago
Is it really that different to being forced to understand scoping with curly braces in other languages?
- 2Gkashmiri 3y ago
  look up a random autohotkey code. you can write it sideways, it will work. you can write it with indentation, it will work. it will work if the whole code is in a single line. on one hand, it has the least amount of startup for a new programmer because it can teach you to do cool things. on the other hand, like me, the "habits" get wrong because i never learned to do pretty code.
pmontra 3y ago
It's like learning to write but not wanting to learn punctuation. You might end up with the Ulysses but more likely than not you'd end up with something that other people and yourself won't be able to understand well when you look at it on the next day. That said, I'm in the camp of curly braces (or equivalent) plus an autoindenter. Either a code formatter or the editor itself. Braces and random indentation is the worst that can happen.
wruza 3y ago
Scoping is essential for general purpose programming, so it is usually fused into the syntax of any GP language in a form of {…} or begin/do…end. Python is one of the languages which try to remove this character and keyword noise based on observation that to see scoping people usually correctly indent their scopes, so python makes indent itself important. I can recommend using Notepad2 if you want to use GP languages but don’t want to use an IDE (which is understandable as it brings a cognitive overload when you learn). Notepad2 is a drop-in replacement for Notepad, but may be installed as a separate app. It’s not particularly for programming, but has related features that Notepad should have had for ages.

zo1 3y ago

It's like learning to drive the car whilst sticking to the rules of the road and staying under the speed limit. It's not supposed to be fun. Besides, I don't know what backwards IDE you used. I've been doing python for 15 years and have never had to manually indent squat, ever. It sounds more like you didn't actually try python but read about the whitespace indentation somewhere and decided to chime in. Either that or you tried it in notepad.

2Gkashmiri 3y ago
i have used notepad for ahk. that's the preferred IDE
- hwayne 3y ago
  Use VSCode with the AHK extension, it's a million times better than notepad for AHK
- abwizz 3y ago
  lol'd there once the code gets more elaborate, syntax highlighting and the likes do indeed make ones life easier

Loocid 3y ago

Is it really that different to being forced to understand scoping with curly braces in other languages?

2Gkashmiri 3y ago
look up a random autohotkey code. you can write it sideways, it will work. you can write it with indentation, it will work. it will work if the whole code is in a single line. on one hand, it has the least amount of startup for a new programmer because it can teach you to do cool things. on the other hand, like me, the "habits" get wrong because i never learned to do pretty code.

pmontra 3y ago

It's like learning to write but not wanting to learn punctuation. You might end up with the Ulysses but more likely than not you'd end up with something that other people and yourself won't be able to understand well when you look at it on the next day. That said, I'm in the camp of curly braces (or equivalent) plus an autoindenter. Either a code formatter or the editor itself. Braces and random indentation is the worst that can happen.

wruza 3y ago

Scoping is essential for general purpose programming, so it is usually fused into the syntax of any GP language in a form of {…} or begin/do…end. Python is one of the languages which try to remove this character and keyword noise based on observation that to see scoping people usually correctly indent their scopes, so python makes indent itself important. I can recommend using Notepad2 if you want to use GP languages but don’t want to use an IDE (which is understandable as it brings a cognitive overload when you learn). Notepad2 is a drop-in replacement for Notepad, but may be installed as a separate app. It’s not particularly for programming, but has related features that Notepad should have had for ages.