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Definitely agree it isn't absurd - everything you say seems plausible, and I appreciate your excellent examples. What's your take on the article's take that th
by nopassrecover 3y ago
Definitely agree it isn't absurd - everything you say seems plausible, and I appreciate your excellent examples.
What's your take on the article's take that they feel this plausible hypothesis is challenged by their study?
In particular, their study says: "The specific claim of the “linguistic niche hypothesis” that grammatical complexity should reduce with an increased number of nonnative speakers is not supported by our results." (from the source https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adf7704 https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.adf7704).
If I'm reading their study correctly, they seem to suggest there was a somewhat arbitrary mix of complexity in root languages, and that modern languages just carry on that same complexity mix based on the languages that influenced them, which doesn't do a lot to explain why languages differ in "complexity" (except perhaps to argue that maybe it doesn't matter: any old language will do and people just speak like the people they learn from).
- jcranmer 3y ago> What's your take on the article's take that they feel this plausible hypothesis is challenged by their study? In short, I'm not convinced that they have the right data. They're using numbers that are relatively easy to come by or compute (e.g., current L2 speaker estimates), and it's not at all clear that this is the right set of numbers to use (see all of the comments here complaining that fusional complexity being used as a proxy for grammatical complexity).