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Meh. Who cares about developmental delays at age 2 and 4, without putting it into context for how kids perform as adults. So what if kids can no longer do wel

Meh. Who cares about developmental delays at age 2 and 4, without putting it into context for how kids perform as adults. So what if kids can no longer do well in a government institution designed entirely to babysit and to train factory workers? Abortion is now illegal, and you don’t get access to any childcare until age ~5, and now you better not dare let kids watch TV or else you will be ridiculed by society. Good grief.

ToucanLoucan 3y ago
> So what if kids can no longer do well in a government institution designed entirely to babysit and to train factory workers? Well for better or worse, basically our entire society for everyone who doesn't have a trust fund relies on one's ability to both complete that government institution's trainings, along with a subsequent, quite similarly structured public or private institution's trainings directly after, after which we will enter a contract with another entity that in turn is structured similarly in order to earn the right to live. And we can discuss at length why this is a bad and limiting system that fails to recognize the diversity of the student body that passes through it, however failing to reform the institutions first and shrugging your shoulders like "well that sucks anyway what do we care what it thinks" is akin to telling people in a burning building to make for a rusted out derelict fire escape on the grounds that the last time the place was on fire, it held okay even though that was 20 years ago and several steps have fallen out since then.
- balls187 3y ago
  I can appreciate not letting perfect be the enemy of the good, and to use another analogy like yours: worrying about the impact of screen time is akin to not seeing the Forrest from the Trees. I also appreciate the researchers were not focused on identifying every problem children face, and that understanding causal relationships between behavior and outcomes is also important. However, specific to the issue of screen time, it's my opinion that it is completely overblown, mirroring the issue of my day "violence in media and it's impact on children." Having two children myself who were developmentally delayed (who did not get any screen time at young ages) what helped was access to early intervention. Research like this just feeds into negativity and judgement parents face from society.
blackbear_ 3y ago
> Who cares about developmental delays at age 2 and 4, without putting it into context for how kids perform as adults. That's right, here you go: - Children with developmental delays twenty years later: where are they? How are they? (https://doi.org/10.1352/0895-8017(2004)109%3C219:CWDDTY%3E2.0.CO;2 https://doi.org/10.1352/0895-8017(2004)109%3C219:CWDDTY%3E2....) - "Findings documented a broad range of outcomes, with some young adults leading independent and productive lives, whereas the majority were un- or underemployed, living with and financially dependent upon their families, and socially isolated." - Developmental Delays in Executive Function from 3 to 5 Years of Age Predict Kindergarten Academic Readiness (https://doi.org/10.1177/0022219415619754 https://doi.org/10.1177/0022219415619754): "Compared to children who exhibited typical trajectories of executive function, the delayed group exhibited substantial impairments in multiple indicators of academic readiness in kindergarten" - Developmental delay in early childhood is associated with visual-constructive skills at school age in a Brazilian cohort (https://doi.org/10.1186/S41155-016-0048-2 https://doi.org/10.1186/S41155-016-0048-2): "Developmentally delayed children showed lower IQs, lower scores, and more errors in copy and memory Benton Visual Retention Test (BVRT) tasks when compared to typically developed children" - Early Developmental Delays: Neuropsychological Sequelae and Subsequent Diagnoses: (https://doi.org/10.1080/09084282.2011.643963 https://doi.org/10.1080/09084282.2011.643963): "The Delay group had a significantly lower Full-Scale IQ (FSIQ), and when controlling for IQ (analysis of covariance), the Delay group had significantly lower scores on measures of immediate and delayed visual memory skills (CMT)." - Young children with developmental delays as young adults: predicting developmental and personal-social outcomes (https://doi.org/10.1352/0895-8017%282006%29111%5B263%3AYCWDDA%5D2.0.CO%3B2 https://doi.org/10.1352/0895-8017%282006%29111%5B263%3AYCWDD...): "Developmental status at 6 to 7 was a strong predictor of developmental status in young adulthood" Feel free to conduct your own research starting from these articles.
- balls187 3y ago
  Think of the children! Oh man, they had more than 1 hour of screen time a day.

ToucanLoucan 3y ago

> So what if kids can no longer do well in a government institution designed entirely to babysit and to train factory workers? Well for better or worse, basically our entire society for everyone who doesn't have a trust fund relies on one's ability to both complete that government institution's trainings, along with a subsequent, quite similarly structured public or private institution's trainings directly after, after which we will enter a contract with another entity that in turn is structured similarly in order to earn the right to live. And we can discuss at length why this is a bad and limiting system that fails to recognize the diversity of the student body that passes through it, however failing to reform the institutions first and shrugging your shoulders like "well that sucks anyway what do we care what it thinks" is akin to telling people in a burning building to make for a rusted out derelict fire escape on the grounds that the last time the place was on fire, it held okay even though that was 20 years ago and several steps have fallen out since then.

balls187 3y ago
I can appreciate not letting perfect be the enemy of the good, and to use another analogy like yours: worrying about the impact of screen time is akin to not seeing the Forrest from the Trees. I also appreciate the researchers were not focused on identifying every problem children face, and that understanding causal relationships between behavior and outcomes is also important. However, specific to the issue of screen time, it's my opinion that it is completely overblown, mirroring the issue of my day "violence in media and it's impact on children." Having two children myself who were developmentally delayed (who did not get any screen time at young ages) what helped was access to early intervention. Research like this just feeds into negativity and judgement parents face from society.

blackbear_ 3y ago

> Who cares about developmental delays at age 2 and 4, without putting it into context for how kids perform as adults. That's right, here you go: - Children with developmental delays twenty years later: where are they? How are they? (https://doi.org/10.1352/0895-8017(2004)109%3C219:CWDDTY%3E2.0.CO;2 https://doi.org/10.1352/0895-8017(2004)109%3C219:CWDDTY%3E2....) - "Findings documented a broad range of outcomes, with some young adults leading independent and productive lives, whereas the majority were un- or underemployed, living with and financially dependent upon their families, and socially isolated." - Developmental Delays in Executive Function from 3 to 5 Years of Age Predict Kindergarten Academic Readiness (https://doi.org/10.1177/0022219415619754 https://doi.org/10.1177/0022219415619754): "Compared to children who exhibited typical trajectories of executive function, the delayed group exhibited substantial impairments in multiple indicators of academic readiness in kindergarten" - Developmental delay in early childhood is associated with visual-constructive skills at school age in a Brazilian cohort (https://doi.org/10.1186/S41155-016-0048-2 https://doi.org/10.1186/S41155-016-0048-2): "Developmentally delayed children showed lower IQs, lower scores, and more errors in copy and memory Benton Visual Retention Test (BVRT) tasks when compared to typically developed children" - Early Developmental Delays: Neuropsychological Sequelae and Subsequent Diagnoses: (https://doi.org/10.1080/09084282.2011.643963 https://doi.org/10.1080/09084282.2011.643963): "The Delay group had a significantly lower Full-Scale IQ (FSIQ), and when controlling for IQ (analysis of covariance), the Delay group had significantly lower scores on measures of immediate and delayed visual memory skills (CMT)." - Young children with developmental delays as young adults: predicting developmental and personal-social outcomes (https://doi.org/10.1352/0895-8017%282006%29111%5B263%3AYCWDDA%5D2.0.CO%3B2 https://doi.org/10.1352/0895-8017%282006%29111%5B263%3AYCWDD...): "Developmental status at 6 to 7 was a strong predictor of developmental status in young adulthood" Feel free to conduct your own research starting from these articles.

balls187 3y ago
Think of the children! Oh man, they had more than 1 hour of screen time a day.