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>DALL-E helpfully slaps a ShutterStock logo on some creations, for example Seems like you could train the AI to recognize the logos and edit them out?

LegitShady 3y ago
that you have to do it at all is evidence that its recreating images from its training set and there could be potential copyright issues.
- famouswaffles 3y ago
  >is evidence that its recreating images from its training set No it isn't lol. a shutterstock logo is just more common ground for the model because of how often it will appear in the dataset.
  - p1necone 3y ago
    You don't see how it generating a registered trademark in its output is a problem? You think it's okay to monkey patch this one obvious case and call it good?
    - andromeduck 3y ago
      If you think it's the trademark that's the issue then removing it is sufficient.
      - benterix 3y ago
        I think you misinterpreted parent's statement.
      - madeofpalk 3y ago
        They do not think it's only that one trademark that's the issue.
  - michaelt 3y ago
    Shutterstock would say that the model is a derivative work of their images, much like a photograph of a painting is a derivative work of the painting despite being in a different medium. They would say they are owed licensing fees regardless of whether the shutterstock logo appears in the output. The appearance of their logo in the output merely proves that the system's outputs are derived from their copyrighted images.
    - singleshot_ 3y ago
      Wouldn’t the appearance of shutterstock’s mark suggest to the consumer that the provenance of the image was shutterstock, when it is not? But upon the absence of the mark, shutterstock would argue that the provenance of the image WAS shutterstock? I don’t think this is the salient feature of this phenomenon, but the proximity of these two arguments is interesting.
- fshbbdssbbgdd 3y ago
  We know AI learns words or symbols from the training set, the training set is the only place it could possibly learning them, that’s not surprising. It’s only meaningful to see a shutterstock logo if the developers of the model are claiming shutterstock images weren’t used in the training.

LegitShady 3y ago

that you have to do it at all is evidence that its recreating images from its training set and there could be potential copyright issues.

famouswaffles 3y ago
>is evidence that its recreating images from its training set No it isn't lol. a shutterstock logo is just more common ground for the model because of how often it will appear in the dataset.
- p1necone 3y ago
  You don't see how it generating a registered trademark in its output is a problem? You think it's okay to monkey patch this one obvious case and call it good?
  - andromeduck 3y ago
    If you think it's the trademark that's the issue then removing it is sufficient.
    - benterix 3y ago
      I think you misinterpreted parent's statement.
    - madeofpalk 3y ago
      They do not think it's only that one trademark that's the issue.
- michaelt 3y ago
  Shutterstock would say that the model is a derivative work of their images, much like a photograph of a painting is a derivative work of the painting despite being in a different medium. They would say they are owed licensing fees regardless of whether the shutterstock logo appears in the output. The appearance of their logo in the output merely proves that the system's outputs are derived from their copyrighted images.
  - singleshot_ 3y ago
    Wouldn’t the appearance of shutterstock’s mark suggest to the consumer that the provenance of the image was shutterstock, when it is not? But upon the absence of the mark, shutterstock would argue that the provenance of the image WAS shutterstock? I don’t think this is the salient feature of this phenomenon, but the proximity of these two arguments is interesting.
fshbbdssbbgdd 3y ago
We know AI learns words or symbols from the training set, the training set is the only place it could possibly learning them, that’s not surprising. It’s only meaningful to see a shutterstock logo if the developers of the model are claiming shutterstock images weren’t used in the training.