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Looking at the affidavit, it seems that Zorn may have lied about the purpose of the DOR request. Nothing in the list explicitly applies to a journalist research

Looking at the affidavit, it seems that Zorn may have lied about the purpose of the DOR request. Nothing in the list explicitly applies to a journalist researching specific people. Option E almost sounds relevant but it's just for debt collection matters. Option M maybe could be relevant if doing a public records request in regards to a liquor license is legal under Kansas law is related to "public safety". If Zorn really did lie about her identity to obtain the records, it does sound like a crime was committed here. Obviously there is some beef between the paper and some people in the town. Off topic: Is it really necessary to have such a bureaucratic process for obtaining a liquor license? Why does having a DUI prohibit you from selling liquor? I remember talking to a local taco shop that wanted to sell beers for dining-in consumption. He had to put an ad out in the local paper saying how he was applying for a liquor license to give everyone notice and time to submit any comments to the ABC board.

theptip 3y ago
> Why does having a DUI prohibit you from selling liquor? The US is still really puritanical about alcohol, particularly liquor. It's still illegal to distill in many states, and craft distilleries have to bring per-state campaigns to have it legalized. You only have to go back a few decades to find it illegal to brew craft beer in many states. This is all commercial, it's completely illegal to home-distill AFAIK. Basically, prohibition was never fully rolled back, and it has taken ages for the restrictions to gradually be removed. Particularly in more-religious areas, there's still a deep moral disapproval of alcohol, particularly hard alcohol.
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- ethbr1 3y ago
  Also, more importantly: taxes. And in the South / Midwest: religion. As to taxes, alcohol licensing and sales bring in revenue, so state limitation increases the value of a license. As to religion, politicians can trumpet about how they're keeping vice limited in the area. PS: Example irony: the Tennessee town where Jack Daniels is made (Lynchburg) is in a dry county (Moore).
  - theptip 3y ago
    Agreed, I think there is also some cynical protectionism, in that the big distributors and producers want to maintain their monopoly, and so they lobby against new craft producer licenses that would compete with them. An example is the Type 75 "brewpub" license in CA, which lets a brewery sell their beer on-premises. The distributors lobbied to smuggle in a requirement that a Type 75 has to have at least one beer on tap that is bought from a distributor and not brewed on-site. There's no defensible reason for this requirement, it's pure pork. Distributors just want to make it harder for brewpubs to enter the market and compete with them, and ensure they get a kickback from every brewpub that does open.
mywittyname 3y ago
Having a DUI speaks to a person's character -- having multiple DUIs speaks volumes. Someone who thinks it's okay to drive under the influence is unlikely to follow the laws around preventing over-consumption by their patrons.
- lsaferite 3y ago
  I agree, but I also think recency should factor in the equation. If you had a major series of screw-ups 2 decades ago and nothing since, you aren't likely to be an issue.
morelisp 3y ago
HN is probably more tasting room crowd than local watering hole (which I'll also cop to), but bars are a public space which can rapidly go from safe to unsafe (and their patrons, harmless to violent), and you need people with some amount of maturity to handle that. My father repped a few bars early in his career as a lawyer (70s/80s). One condition: no pool cues.

theptip 3y ago

> Why does having a DUI prohibit you from selling liquor? The US is still really puritanical about alcohol, particularly liquor. It's still illegal to distill in many states, and craft distilleries have to bring per-state campaigns to have it legalized. You only have to go back a few decades to find it illegal to brew craft beer in many states. This is all commercial, it's completely illegal to home-distill AFAIK. Basically, prohibition was never fully rolled back, and it has taken ages for the restrictions to gradually be removed. Particularly in more-religious areas, there's still a deep moral disapproval of alcohol, particularly hard alcohol.

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ethbr1 3y ago
Also, more importantly: taxes. And in the South / Midwest: religion. As to taxes, alcohol licensing and sales bring in revenue, so state limitation increases the value of a license. As to religion, politicians can trumpet about how they're keeping vice limited in the area. PS: Example irony: the Tennessee town where Jack Daniels is made (Lynchburg) is in a dry county (Moore).
- theptip 3y ago
  Agreed, I think there is also some cynical protectionism, in that the big distributors and producers want to maintain their monopoly, and so they lobby against new craft producer licenses that would compete with them. An example is the Type 75 "brewpub" license in CA, which lets a brewery sell their beer on-premises. The distributors lobbied to smuggle in a requirement that a Type 75 has to have at least one beer on tap that is bought from a distributor and not brewed on-site. There's no defensible reason for this requirement, it's pure pork. Distributors just want to make it harder for brewpubs to enter the market and compete with them, and ensure they get a kickback from every brewpub that does open.

mywittyname 3y ago

Having a DUI speaks to a person's character -- having multiple DUIs speaks volumes. Someone who thinks it's okay to drive under the influence is unlikely to follow the laws around preventing over-consumption by their patrons.

lsaferite 3y ago
I agree, but I also think recency should factor in the equation. If you had a major series of screw-ups 2 decades ago and nothing since, you aren't likely to be an issue.

morelisp 3y ago

HN is probably more tasting room crowd than local watering hole (which I'll also cop to), but bars are a public space which can rapidly go from safe to unsafe (and their patrons, harmless to violent), and you need people with some amount of maturity to handle that. My father repped a few bars early in his career as a lawyer (70s/80s). One condition: no pool cues.