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Many years I eavesdropped in on a conversation between two guys each with multiple DUIs. They were telling stories about people in government who "get it", incl

Many years I eavesdropped in on a conversation between two guys each with multiple DUIs. They were telling stories about people in government who "get it", including police, that they shouldn't be punished for just driving home from the bar, or going out for more pretzels, etc. Incredible self-justifying stories of "everyone knows" the DUI punishment system is bullshit.

randombits0 3y ago
That line of thinking is so prevalent it’s a standard polygraph test question! “Have you ever driven while intoxicated?” The examiner expects “No” and uses the reaction to gauge what a lie looks like for the remainder of the test. Never driven drunk? Screw you! antipoligraph.org
Clubber 3y ago
I believe our current state of DUI laws were pressured into passing my special interest groups such as M.A.D.D. Laws in many states are so strict that you can get a DUI if you decide to "sleep it off," in your car without driving anywhere, as long as you have the keys near you. I believe this would seem to incentivize drunk driving.
- chuchurocka 3y ago
  I’m not sure about other states, but in Kansas you can sleep it off provided that your keys never go into the ignition. Not sure how this works with keyless ignition now though.
jmyeet 3y ago
This is a deep problem that extends to sexual harassment, sex crimes and child predation. You see entities like churches who systemically cover up and essentially defend child predators and you ask yourself why. Why didn't that organization "clean house" and report offenders to law enforcement? The usual answer given is they don't want the scandal and bad PR but that doesn't really hold water anymore given all the negative publicity surrounding, for example, the Mormon and Catholic churches around this issue. What I think you'll find if you look deeper is the leadership is infected with a sufficient number of people who (as you put it) "get it". Religious doctrine complicates this as many such religions blame the sexual desire in men on women tempting them and yes, this can go to some horrific extremes. Sexual harassment also seems to become endemic in organizations as those who should be holding underlines responsible for their bad behaviour also "get it" and don't see it as a problem. Less horrific, I'm sure many on here have experienced bullying as a child. How many of you that have tried to report such problems and were told things like "boys will be boys" or "they're just playing" about abusive behavior, even serious abuse? I've thought about this a lot: how do these people who "get it" find each other? I doubt it's ever verbally explicit. It seems to be a dark form of tribalism to identify people who are "one of us". We had some significant cases in police departments recently (eg Antioch). This kind of clustering belies negligence, selection or both. This can get so bad that, for example, the LA County Sheriffs are essentially a collection of deputy gangs.
- mywittyname 3y ago
  > how do these people who "get it" find each other? Jokes. Assholes tend to make jokes at other peoples' expense. If someone else joins in on the off-color jokes, then you know they are the same kind of asshole you are.

randombits0 3y ago

That line of thinking is so prevalent it’s a standard polygraph test question! “Have you ever driven while intoxicated?” The examiner expects “No” and uses the reaction to gauge what a lie looks like for the remainder of the test. Never driven drunk? Screw you! antipoligraph.org

Clubber 3y ago

I believe our current state of DUI laws were pressured into passing my special interest groups such as M.A.D.D. Laws in many states are so strict that you can get a DUI if you decide to "sleep it off," in your car without driving anywhere, as long as you have the keys near you. I believe this would seem to incentivize drunk driving.

chuchurocka 3y ago
I’m not sure about other states, but in Kansas you can sleep it off provided that your keys never go into the ignition. Not sure how this works with keyless ignition now though.

jmyeet 3y ago

This is a deep problem that extends to sexual harassment, sex crimes and child predation. You see entities like churches who systemically cover up and essentially defend child predators and you ask yourself why. Why didn't that organization "clean house" and report offenders to law enforcement? The usual answer given is they don't want the scandal and bad PR but that doesn't really hold water anymore given all the negative publicity surrounding, for example, the Mormon and Catholic churches around this issue. What I think you'll find if you look deeper is the leadership is infected with a sufficient number of people who (as you put it) "get it". Religious doctrine complicates this as many such religions blame the sexual desire in men on women tempting them and yes, this can go to some horrific extremes. Sexual harassment also seems to become endemic in organizations as those who should be holding underlines responsible for their bad behaviour also "get it" and don't see it as a problem. Less horrific, I'm sure many on here have experienced bullying as a child. How many of you that have tried to report such problems and were told things like "boys will be boys" or "they're just playing" about abusive behavior, even serious abuse? I've thought about this a lot: how do these people who "get it" find each other? I doubt it's ever verbally explicit. It seems to be a dark form of tribalism to identify people who are "one of us". We had some significant cases in police departments recently (eg Antioch). This kind of clustering belies negligence, selection or both. This can get so bad that, for example, the LA County Sheriffs are essentially a collection of deputy gangs.

mywittyname 3y ago
> how do these people who "get it" find each other? Jokes. Assholes tend to make jokes at other peoples' expense. If someone else joins in on the off-color jokes, then you know they are the same kind of asshole you are.