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> I'm a sometimes-illustrator (but my style is pretty far from what Generative AI is doing) Why not train your own personal AI on your artwork? Corridor Digita

by rcarr 3y ago

> I'm a sometimes-illustrator (but my style is pretty far from what Generative AI is doing) Why not train your own personal AI on your artwork? Corridor Digital did this in the latest attempt to automatise animation, they hired an illustrator to create an animation style for them, then trained the AI on their drawings. Link: https://youtu.be/FQ6z90MuURM?t=329 https://youtu.be/FQ6z90MuURM?t=329

thelazyone 3y ago
That's an interesting take! Currently I see two reasons why I wouldn't do that: 1 - Since I'm either working for game companies or for my own project (https://fsd-wargame.com/ https://fsd-wargame.com/) using AI-generated things is kinda damaging in terms of marketing. You never know when some uproar could arise against a project/game solely based on more or less petty outcries against AI. I generally sympathize with artists, but sometimes it's just whiny. 2 - My illustrations are line-art and cartography (https://www.artstation.com/thelazyone https://www.artstation.com/thelazyone) , which are not the easiest to handle with AI. I'm sure that with enough effort there's gonna be a good model, but I haven't seen any so far.
toasted-subs 3y ago
Seems kind of shady imo. I know businesses is businesses but that's seems a bit too mean for my tastes.
- throwuxiytayq 3y ago
  Care to expand? I have no idea what you’re on about.
- rahkiin 3y ago
  This could have been all with consent and adjusted payments. AI does not just replace an artist, it can also speed up the work tremendously. It gives new possibilities using volume.
- rcxdude 3y ago
  Ethics of the use of generative AI in the first place aside, I'm pretty sure the illustrator was aware of what they were intending to do with their work (they even were interviewed about it in the behind the scenes video)
  - __loam 3y ago
    I view this in the same way I view the use of an actor's voice for ai generations. Even if the person knows what you're doing with their data, it still feels really scummy and unethical. The idea that we can sample someone else's labor and be able to own that and generate shit from it in perpetuity (probably without paying them) feels very alienating.
    - rcxdude 3y ago
      Like being employed to write some code which then is owned by someone else?
      - __loam 3y ago
        Most software jobs have equity compensation now.
        throwuxiytayq 3y ago
        Curious. What planet do you hail from?
- Bjartr 3y ago
  The illustrator was aware their work was going to be used in that way.
- breischl 3y ago
  I'm not in illustration, but isn't it already common to hire someone to create a "style book" of what it should look like, and then have other illustrators follow that? eg, I recall animated shows working that way. Doesn't seem so incredibly different from that.
woolion 3y ago
I've actually done it [0], I'd like to have an AI assistant that I could directly use the results from, and the results were really terrible, mostly laughably terrible. I think it was too far from what the models handled correctly at the time, and given that issue it was not enough training images. Although I had also tried with a model that was better at handling stylised 2D. I'd like it to work, but I don't think it's viable for most people. [0] https://woolion.art/2022/11/16/SDDB.html https://woolion.art/2022/11/16/SDDB.html

by rcarr 3y ago

thelazyone 3y ago

That's an interesting take! Currently I see two reasons why I wouldn't do that: 1 - Since I'm either working for game companies or for my own project (https://fsd-wargame.com/ https://fsd-wargame.com/) using AI-generated things is kinda damaging in terms of marketing. You never know when some uproar could arise against a project/game solely based on more or less petty outcries against AI. I generally sympathize with artists, but sometimes it's just whiny. 2 - My illustrations are line-art and cartography (https://www.artstation.com/thelazyone https://www.artstation.com/thelazyone) , which are not the easiest to handle with AI. I'm sure that with enough effort there's gonna be a good model, but I haven't seen any so far.

toasted-subs 3y ago

Seems kind of shady imo. I know businesses is businesses but that's seems a bit too mean for my tastes.

throwuxiytayq 3y ago
Care to expand? I have no idea what you’re on about.
rahkiin 3y ago
This could have been all with consent and adjusted payments. AI does not just replace an artist, it can also speed up the work tremendously. It gives new possibilities using volume.
rcxdude 3y ago
Ethics of the use of generative AI in the first place aside, I'm pretty sure the illustrator was aware of what they were intending to do with their work (they even were interviewed about it in the behind the scenes video)
- __loam 3y ago
  I view this in the same way I view the use of an actor's voice for ai generations. Even if the person knows what you're doing with their data, it still feels really scummy and unethical. The idea that we can sample someone else's labor and be able to own that and generate shit from it in perpetuity (probably without paying them) feels very alienating.
  - rcxdude 3y ago
    Like being employed to write some code which then is owned by someone else?
    - __loam 3y ago
      Most software jobs have equity compensation now.
      - throwuxiytayq 3y ago
        Curious. What planet do you hail from?
Bjartr 3y ago
The illustrator was aware their work was going to be used in that way.
breischl 3y ago
I'm not in illustration, but isn't it already common to hire someone to create a "style book" of what it should look like, and then have other illustrators follow that? eg, I recall animated shows working that way. Doesn't seem so incredibly different from that.

woolion 3y ago

I've actually done it [0], I'd like to have an AI assistant that I could directly use the results from, and the results were really terrible, mostly laughably terrible. I think it was too far from what the models handled correctly at the time, and given that issue it was not enough training images. Although I had also tried with a model that was better at handling stylised 2D. I'd like it to work, but I don't think it's viable for most people. [0] https://woolion.art/2022/11/16/SDDB.html https://woolion.art/2022/11/16/SDDB.html