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> If you moved to some country in Europe is is _harder_ for you to travel to US, and vice versa. No it's not. Anecdata: plenty of Indian citizens in Europe go

by 2143 3y ago

> If you moved to some country in Europe is is _harder_ for you to travel to US, and vice versa. No it's not. Anecdata: plenty of Indian citizens in Europe go troublefree to the US. I personally know a few people. > Second, as you've already taken the immigration route once, you're seen as a potential immigrant with a risk of no return. You make it sound like they would illegally-immigrate to America. Why would someone who's legally present in Europe (and presumably tax-paying) sneak away to America? If such people want to immigrate to America it's fair to assume they would do it the proper way (instead of going there on a tourist visa and disappearing).

reisse 3y ago
> No it's not. > Anecdata: plenty of Indian citizens in Europe go troublefree to the US. > I personally know a few people. I have my anecdata too, I know a few people who are travelling to Europe and they're getting single entry fixed dates visas every time. Sure they "go troublefree" by some definition, but in their home country they'd most certainly get long-term multivisas. And that's not even mentioning queue times... > You make it sound like they would illegally-immigrate to America. Have you ever been on a visa interview in US embassy? These guys view most people as willing to illegally immigrate to America. It's your burden to prove that you're going to return, and every fact counts. > Why would someone who's legally present in Europe (and presumably tax-paying) sneak away to America? Higher salaries, better job market, better living conditions, you name it. > If such people want to immigrate to America it's fair to assume they would do it the proper way (instead of going there on a tourist visa and disappearing). The proper way when you are selling your soul to a corporation for 3 to 5 years (L1)? Or the proper way when you are playing lottery with little-to-no chance to win (DV)? Or the proper way when you are playing lottery with a slightly higher chance to win, but with a 10+ years path to permanant resident status (H1B)? Like, the only somewhat working way to legally immigrate to America is to either grind portfolio for O1 visa, or to go study and try very hard to change status there. US immigration system is so fucked up there is no proper way easier than crossing Mexican border and legalizing as a refugee. Or "disappearing" on tourist visa.
- 2143 3y ago
  > I know a few people who are travelling to Europe and they're getting single entry fixed dates visas every time I thought you were talking about visas to the US. How is people "travelling to Europe" relevant? > Have you ever been on a visa interview in US embassy? Yes I have. Twice. For two different visa categories at separate points in time. In both cases my interview with the consular officer was very pleasant and took less than 5 minutes, and the first time he even said "enjoy your trip!”. Now, I know a lot of people's US visas get rejected for whatever reason. I don't know why that is. Nor do I know why it was easy for me and difficult for others. > Higher salaries, better job market, better living conditions, you name it. > US immigration system is so fucked up there is no proper way easier than crossing Mexican border and legalizing as a refugee. Or "disappearing" on tourist visa. My previous post was about whether or not it's harder for non-Americans to apply for a US visa from Europe. I was not talking about the general immigration situation in the US. Rhetorical question — if a non-American non-European were to sneak into America via Mexico, why would they go to the trouble of settling into Europe first? This is borderline flamewar, for no good reason. I wouldn't be replying further. Have a good day.

by 2143 3y ago

reisse 3y ago

> No it's not. > Anecdata: plenty of Indian citizens in Europe go troublefree to the US. > I personally know a few people. I have my anecdata too, I know a few people who are travelling to Europe and they're getting single entry fixed dates visas every time. Sure they "go troublefree" by some definition, but in their home country they'd most certainly get long-term multivisas. And that's not even mentioning queue times... > You make it sound like they would illegally-immigrate to America. Have you ever been on a visa interview in US embassy? These guys view most people as willing to illegally immigrate to America. It's your burden to prove that you're going to return, and every fact counts. > Why would someone who's legally present in Europe (and presumably tax-paying) sneak away to America? Higher salaries, better job market, better living conditions, you name it. > If such people want to immigrate to America it's fair to assume they would do it the proper way (instead of going there on a tourist visa and disappearing). The proper way when you are selling your soul to a corporation for 3 to 5 years (L1)? Or the proper way when you are playing lottery with little-to-no chance to win (DV)? Or the proper way when you are playing lottery with a slightly higher chance to win, but with a 10+ years path to permanant resident status (H1B)? Like, the only somewhat working way to legally immigrate to America is to either grind portfolio for O1 visa, or to go study and try very hard to change status there. US immigration system is so fucked up there is no proper way easier than crossing Mexican border and legalizing as a refugee. Or "disappearing" on tourist visa.

2143 3y ago
> I know a few people who are travelling to Europe and they're getting single entry fixed dates visas every time I thought you were talking about visas to the US. How is people "travelling to Europe" relevant? > Have you ever been on a visa interview in US embassy? Yes I have. Twice. For two different visa categories at separate points in time. In both cases my interview with the consular officer was very pleasant and took less than 5 minutes, and the first time he even said "enjoy your trip!”. Now, I know a lot of people's US visas get rejected for whatever reason. I don't know why that is. Nor do I know why it was easy for me and difficult for others. > Higher salaries, better job market, better living conditions, you name it. > US immigration system is so fucked up there is no proper way easier than crossing Mexican border and legalizing as a refugee. Or "disappearing" on tourist visa. My previous post was about whether or not it's harder for non-Americans to apply for a US visa from Europe. I was not talking about the general immigration situation in the US. Rhetorical question — if a non-American non-European were to sneak into America via Mexico, why would they go to the trouble of settling into Europe first? This is borderline flamewar, for no good reason. I wouldn't be replying further. Have a good day.