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Then you’re a woman that is dressing and acting like a man. It’s a personal choice and no one should have any problem with it. But claiming you are now a man ma

Then you’re a woman that is dressing and acting like a man. It’s a personal choice and no one should have any problem with it. But claiming you are now a man makes no sense.

philistine 3y ago
It seems you're conflating gender and sex. The person' sex hasn't changed, their gender did.
- tempaccount420 3y ago
  How? Trans"sex"uals are absolutely about sex, not gender.
  - philistine 3y ago
    First, it’s no longer the term of art. Transgender is what you should say. Expressly for the reason you’re bringing up. Second, a grammatical gotcha is far from a proof. Our language is not a perfect representation of reality.
- soligern 3y ago
  Assigning a term to the way someone dresses and cuts their hair doesn’t change anything beyond the individual level.
didibus 3y ago
> But claiming you are now a man makes no sense That's the point. Your conceptualization of gender doesn't actually make sense to the true reality of gender expression. You have this idea that gender "should" be some way. You were told this, and raised to believe that. But if you're observant of the real world, you see that there exists many people for whom this doesn't make sense. You can see there are people that have the traits of one and the sex of another. You can see that there exist many more relevant characteristics than just genitals. The structure, size and connections of the brain, the hormonal balance, the organs, the bone structure, the chromosomes, etc. All these things exists in so many more combinations than two distinct clearly delineated sets. And so, like we did in the past with believing the earth was the center of the universe, or not knowing what caused diseases before we learned about germs, or why thunder would strike. We're forced to re-evaluate our understanding of reality, and update our mental models with one that can fit all we observe and better predict reality. In the past, ideology has actually worked to repress and hide this reality. Forcing people that don't comform to pretend otherwise. And yet here we are, thousands of years into human history, and still there exists many people that don't fit the model. They existed throughout history, there's accounts of it in writing from many prior civilizations. Which takes me back to what I said previously. You can continue to want to repress them. Or you can just accept a model where there is a spectrum of gender, with most people fitting nicely one side or the other, but also many that are somewhere in between. And that means, if they want to act or be treated one way or another, you can be okay with that. Or you can think that we should force them otherwise.
- hibbers 3y ago
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Then you’re a woman that is dressing and acting like a man. It’s a personal choice and no one should have any problem with it. But claiming you are now a man makes no sense.

philistine 3y ago

It seems you're conflating gender and sex. The person' sex hasn't changed, their gender did.

tempaccount420 3y ago
How? Trans"sex"uals are absolutely about sex, not gender.
- philistine 3y ago
  First, it’s no longer the term of art. Transgender is what you should say. Expressly for the reason you’re bringing up. Second, a grammatical gotcha is far from a proof. Our language is not a perfect representation of reality.
soligern 3y ago
Assigning a term to the way someone dresses and cuts their hair doesn’t change anything beyond the individual level.

didibus 3y ago

> But claiming you are now a man makes no sense That's the point. Your conceptualization of gender doesn't actually make sense to the true reality of gender expression. You have this idea that gender "should" be some way. You were told this, and raised to believe that. But if you're observant of the real world, you see that there exists many people for whom this doesn't make sense. You can see there are people that have the traits of one and the sex of another. You can see that there exist many more relevant characteristics than just genitals. The structure, size and connections of the brain, the hormonal balance, the organs, the bone structure, the chromosomes, etc. All these things exists in so many more combinations than two distinct clearly delineated sets. And so, like we did in the past with believing the earth was the center of the universe, or not knowing what caused diseases before we learned about germs, or why thunder would strike. We're forced to re-evaluate our understanding of reality, and update our mental models with one that can fit all we observe and better predict reality. In the past, ideology has actually worked to repress and hide this reality. Forcing people that don't comform to pretend otherwise. And yet here we are, thousands of years into human history, and still there exists many people that don't fit the model. They existed throughout history, there's accounts of it in writing from many prior civilizations. Which takes me back to what I said previously. You can continue to want to repress them. Or you can just accept a model where there is a spectrum of gender, with most people fitting nicely one side or the other, but also many that are somewhere in between. And that means, if they want to act or be treated one way or another, you can be okay with that. Or you can think that we should force them otherwise.

hibbers 3y ago
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