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Now it's just like the Apple experience! Anyone who thinks otherwise, do go through a full install and then observe how many apps are installed that you cannot

by buro9 3y ago

Now it's just like the Apple experience! Anyone who thinks otherwise, do go through a full install and then observe how many apps are installed that you cannot uninstall. And it's true that you can't really uninstall things from Windows either... Xbox 360 Bar... it will be there forever. If you ever touch Windows Hello PIN logon, that will never be disabled again. The only way to have an OS install be minimal is to choose a Linux, a distro will likely give you lots of things you may not want still (i.e. games, the office suite) but at least you can uninstall those all quickly.

PrimeMcFly 3y ago
Apple has always been kind of an awful desktop experience IMO. Never understood why so many technical users like it. Windows 11 is becoming so much worse though. Thank goodness for Linux being the solution for 99% of time.
vladvasiliu 3y ago
I'm a Linux user, but you can't always easily remove the random crap that gets installed. An Ubuntu server install will come with "modem manager" (wtf does that even do?!) and a bunch of other crap which isn't exactly useful in a VM environment. Yet if you try to remove them, you'll find that it tries to remove the whole system since it depends on "ubuntu-server" or some such. Sure, you could remove that meta package and reinstall the things you actually need manually, but that's still a terrible pita. At least all this junk doesn't start up random daemons, like windows does.
- deadlydose 3y ago
  This sounds like an Ubuntu problem. My web server is running Debian 12 and ModemManager isn't even installed. For shiggles I installed it just so I could remove it. The extra packages it installed are libjim0.81 libmbim-glib4 libmbim-proxy libmbim-utils libqmi-glib5 libqmi-proxy libqmi-utils libqrtr-glib0 usb-modeswitch usb-modeswitch-data and these are exactly the packages it told me I could autoremove after removing ModemManager.

by buro9 3y ago

PrimeMcFly 3y ago

Apple has always been kind of an awful desktop experience IMO. Never understood why so many technical users like it. Windows 11 is becoming so much worse though. Thank goodness for Linux being the solution for 99% of time.

vladvasiliu 3y ago

I'm a Linux user, but you can't always easily remove the random crap that gets installed. An Ubuntu server install will come with "modem manager" (wtf does that even do?!) and a bunch of other crap which isn't exactly useful in a VM environment. Yet if you try to remove them, you'll find that it tries to remove the whole system since it depends on "ubuntu-server" or some such. Sure, you could remove that meta package and reinstall the things you actually need manually, but that's still a terrible pita. At least all this junk doesn't start up random daemons, like windows does.

deadlydose 3y ago
This sounds like an Ubuntu problem. My web server is running Debian 12 and ModemManager isn't even installed. For shiggles I installed it just so I could remove it. The extra packages it installed are libjim0.81 libmbim-glib4 libmbim-proxy libmbim-utils libqmi-glib5 libqmi-proxy libqmi-utils libqrtr-glib0 usb-modeswitch usb-modeswitch-data and these are exactly the packages it told me I could autoremove after removing ModemManager.