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>A prompt to pair your phone with your PC. >A Microsoft 365 trial offer. >A 100GB OneDrive offer. >A $1 introductory PC Game Pass offer. Whats so bad about

>A prompt to pair your phone with your PC. >A Microsoft 365 trial offer. >A 100GB OneDrive offer. >A $1 introductory PC Game Pass offer. Whats so bad about those?

ekianjo 3y ago
Walled gardens to keep you in the Microsoft ecosystem forever
- hardware2win 3y ago
  You believe that companies shouldnt ad their other services in their products? I disagree. Ecosystems enable better ux, look at Apple. Also nobody prevents you from moving your files from OneDrive to e.g Google Or using Google docs instead of MS Word
  - majewsky 3y ago
    This is not informing about other services, this is pushing them on them with sleezy tactics. The article calls out that MS refers to this as "second-chance out of the box experience", or in plain English, "you did not want this the first time, but we need this for our bottom line, so get ready to have this shoved down your throat". I would also not be surprised if they are banking on people accidentally clicking Yes to make the annoyance go away.
    - hardware2win 3y ago
      >This is not informing about other services Is there law for that? There was such a thing for browsers, but I dont know about services
majewsky 3y ago
In Futurama, there is a gag where Fry finds out about ads being injected in his dreams through brain waves or something. When he is upset by this, his peers do not understand him. So he explains: "Of course we had ads in the 20th century... but only on billboards, and buses, and milk cartons, and [list goes on for a while]. But not in dreams! Nuh-uh!" I think what's happening here is two things: First, a personal computing device is fundamentally an extension of your own self into the digital world, functioning similar to how you use your limbs to interact with the physical world. Having a personal computing device overtly act in someone else's interest and not yours is not that dissimilar to having someone else manipulate your arms and legs to force you to go to certain places or interact with things that you don't want to. Second, most ads have the redeeming quality of being ignorable. If there's an ad on a billboard, I can look somewhere else instead or just close my eyes. If there's an ad on a news website, I can (hopefully!) scroll past it. If there's an ad in my dreams (or indeed, on my home screen), it's forcing itself on me and violating that premise of ignorability.
- hardware2win 3y ago
  >First, a personal computing device is fundamentally an extension of your own self into the digital world Id never call dumb ass computer as a "my extension" despite the fact that it pays me well and I use it a lot. Maybe if youre social media addict then yea.
- johnnyanmac 3y ago
  >a personal computing device is fundamentally an extension of your own self into the digital world, functioning similar to how you use your limbs to interact with the physical world well maybe that's the issue. I see it more like operating a car than me acting as some avatar renovating my house. Ideally there'd be a smooth flat empty road, but there will be bumps, annoying people, billboards, and sketch sand roads. It's all a part of the journey, and in many cases I'm riding through a pre-defined world. At least I can remove more of these in the ditital world.

>A prompt to pair your phone with your PC. >A Microsoft 365 trial offer. >A 100GB OneDrive offer. >A $1 introductory PC Game Pass offer. Whats so bad about those?

ekianjo 3y ago

Walled gardens to keep you in the Microsoft ecosystem forever

hardware2win 3y ago
You believe that companies shouldnt ad their other services in their products? I disagree. Ecosystems enable better ux, look at Apple. Also nobody prevents you from moving your files from OneDrive to e.g Google Or using Google docs instead of MS Word
- majewsky 3y ago
  This is not informing about other services, this is pushing them on them with sleezy tactics. The article calls out that MS refers to this as "second-chance out of the box experience", or in plain English, "you did not want this the first time, but we need this for our bottom line, so get ready to have this shoved down your throat". I would also not be surprised if they are banking on people accidentally clicking Yes to make the annoyance go away.
  - hardware2win 3y ago
    >This is not informing about other services Is there law for that? There was such a thing for browsers, but I dont know about services

majewsky 3y ago

In Futurama, there is a gag where Fry finds out about ads being injected in his dreams through brain waves or something. When he is upset by this, his peers do not understand him. So he explains: "Of course we had ads in the 20th century... but only on billboards, and buses, and milk cartons, and [list goes on for a while]. But not in dreams! Nuh-uh!" I think what's happening here is two things: First, a personal computing device is fundamentally an extension of your own self into the digital world, functioning similar to how you use your limbs to interact with the physical world. Having a personal computing device overtly act in someone else's interest and not yours is not that dissimilar to having someone else manipulate your arms and legs to force you to go to certain places or interact with things that you don't want to. Second, most ads have the redeeming quality of being ignorable. If there's an ad on a billboard, I can look somewhere else instead or just close my eyes. If there's an ad on a news website, I can (hopefully!) scroll past it. If there's an ad in my dreams (or indeed, on my home screen), it's forcing itself on me and violating that premise of ignorability.

hardware2win 3y ago
>First, a personal computing device is fundamentally an extension of your own self into the digital world Id never call dumb ass computer as a "my extension" despite the fact that it pays me well and I use it a lot. Maybe if youre social media addict then yea.
johnnyanmac 3y ago
>a personal computing device is fundamentally an extension of your own self into the digital world, functioning similar to how you use your limbs to interact with the physical world well maybe that's the issue. I see it more like operating a car than me acting as some avatar renovating my house. Ideally there'd be a smooth flat empty road, but there will be bumps, annoying people, billboards, and sketch sand roads. It's all a part of the journey, and in many cases I'm riding through a pre-defined world. At least I can remove more of these in the ditital world.