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I'd like to point out a case that the author has politely left out: that some conference organizers truly believe that if you were a good researcher then you wo

I'd like to point out a case that the author has politely left out: that some conference organizers truly believe that if you were a good researcher then you would have moved to North America and/or Europe. And viceversa. I know plenty of researchers from South America for whom COVID was a godsend as it allowed them to attend three virtual conferences for the price of one and where their virtual experience didn't make them feel like second class citizens. Those same researchers are now getting visa appointments for the US scheduled months after the end of the conferences.

2143 3y ago
And I'd like to point out that even if I'm physically in, say Canada, I might still need a visa to go to Germany. Unless there's a clause somewhere that says people who have a visa for Canada can enter Germany visa-free — some countries actually do that. For example, UAE (the country where Dubai is) normally requires visa for Indian citizens, but if you're an Indian citizen with a valid US visa, then you're eligible for visa-on-arrival for UAE[1]: > All Indian citizens holding U.S. visas, green cards, U.K Resident Permits, or EU resident permits can receive entry visa upon arrival to UAE valid for 14 days for a charge of AED 100. [1] https://www.uae-embassy.org/visas-services/visas-for-non-us-citizens https://www.uae-embassy.org/visas-services/visas-for-non-us-...
- braza 3y ago
  Not the OP, but the comparison it's apple to oranges. In some parts of South America getting a visa to USA goes to a queue that can take 262 days. From SA (from a country with a not so strong passport) to Germany since we're Schengen the visa does not apply, but with a work contract it's less than 30 days in some big cities. The point that I want to make here is that the sad reality is that Canada has a way stronger passport and good will from several countries than South America, that's why the comparison is not applicable. [1] - https://www.uol.com.br/nossa/noticias/agencia-estado/2023/08/04/visto-americano-espera-aumenta-em-sp-e-em-mais-duas-capitais-rio-tem-a-menor-fila.htm https://www.uol.com.br/nossa/noticias/agencia-estado/2023/08...
reisse 3y ago
> that some conference organizers truly believe that if you were a good researcher then you would have moved to North America and/or Europe. And viceversa. If you moved to some country in Europe is is _harder_ for you to travel to US, and vice versa. First, embassies in Europe have fewer visa appointment slots in general than embassies in countries where visas are required for general population. These slots are generally reserved for EU citizens in need of long-term/immigration visas. Even more so for European embassies in US. Second, as you've already taken the immigration route once, you're seen as a potential immigrant with a risk of no return. Third, your documents are just not familiar to the embassy personnel. Like, in Berlin, in the batch of ten passports where nine of them are German and one Indian, embassy personnel will scrutiny one, maybe two of German ones and certainly the Indian one.
- 2143 3y ago
  > If you moved to some country in Europe is is _harder_ for you to travel to US, and vice versa. No it's not. Anecdata: plenty of Indian citizens in Europe go troublefree to the US. I personally know a few people. > Second, as you've already taken the immigration route once, you're seen as a potential immigrant with a risk of no return. You make it sound like they would illegally-immigrate to America. Why would someone who's legally present in Europe (and presumably tax-paying) sneak away to America? If such people want to immigrate to America it's fair to assume they would do it the proper way (instead of going there on a tourist visa and disappearing).
  - reisse 3y ago
    > No it's not. > Anecdata: plenty of Indian citizens in Europe go troublefree to the US. > I personally know a few people. I have my anecdata too, I know a few people who are travelling to Europe and they're getting single entry fixed dates visas every time. Sure they "go troublefree" by some definition, but in their home country they'd most certainly get long-term multivisas. And that's not even mentioning queue times... > You make it sound like they would illegally-immigrate to America. Have you ever been on a visa interview in US embassy? These guys view most people as willing to illegally immigrate to America. It's your burden to prove that you're going to return, and every fact counts. > Why would someone who's legally present in Europe (and presumably tax-paying) sneak away to America? Higher salaries, better job market, better living conditions, you name it. > If such people want to immigrate to America it's fair to assume they would do it the proper way (instead of going there on a tourist visa and disappearing). The proper way when you are selling your soul to a corporation for 3 to 5 years (L1)? Or the proper way when you are playing lottery with little-to-no chance to win (DV)? Or the proper way when you are playing lottery with a slightly higher chance to win, but with a 10+ years path to permanant resident status (H1B)? Like, the only somewhat working way to legally immigrate to America is to either grind portfolio for O1 visa, or to go study and try very hard to change status there. US immigration system is so fucked up there is no proper way easier than crossing Mexican border and legalizing as a refugee. Or "disappearing" on tourist visa.

2143 3y ago

And I'd like to point out that even if I'm physically in, say Canada, I might still need a visa to go to Germany. Unless there's a clause somewhere that says people who have a visa for Canada can enter Germany visa-free — some countries actually do that. For example, UAE (the country where Dubai is) normally requires visa for Indian citizens, but if you're an Indian citizen with a valid US visa, then you're eligible for visa-on-arrival for UAE[1]: > All Indian citizens holding U.S. visas, green cards, U.K Resident Permits, or EU resident permits can receive entry visa upon arrival to UAE valid for 14 days for a charge of AED 100. [1] https://www.uae-embassy.org/visas-services/visas-for-non-us-citizens https://www.uae-embassy.org/visas-services/visas-for-non-us-...

braza 3y ago
Not the OP, but the comparison it's apple to oranges. In some parts of South America getting a visa to USA goes to a queue that can take 262 days. From SA (from a country with a not so strong passport) to Germany since we're Schengen the visa does not apply, but with a work contract it's less than 30 days in some big cities. The point that I want to make here is that the sad reality is that Canada has a way stronger passport and good will from several countries than South America, that's why the comparison is not applicable. [1] - https://www.uol.com.br/nossa/noticias/agencia-estado/2023/08/04/visto-americano-espera-aumenta-em-sp-e-em-mais-duas-capitais-rio-tem-a-menor-fila.htm https://www.uol.com.br/nossa/noticias/agencia-estado/2023/08...

reisse 3y ago

> that some conference organizers truly believe that if you were a good researcher then you would have moved to North America and/or Europe. And viceversa. If you moved to some country in Europe is is _harder_ for you to travel to US, and vice versa. First, embassies in Europe have fewer visa appointment slots in general than embassies in countries where visas are required for general population. These slots are generally reserved for EU citizens in need of long-term/immigration visas. Even more so for European embassies in US. Second, as you've already taken the immigration route once, you're seen as a potential immigrant with a risk of no return. Third, your documents are just not familiar to the embassy personnel. Like, in Berlin, in the batch of ten passports where nine of them are German and one Indian, embassy personnel will scrutiny one, maybe two of German ones and certainly the Indian one.

2143 3y ago
> If you moved to some country in Europe is is _harder_ for you to travel to US, and vice versa. No it's not. Anecdata: plenty of Indian citizens in Europe go troublefree to the US. I personally know a few people. > Second, as you've already taken the immigration route once, you're seen as a potential immigrant with a risk of no return. You make it sound like they would illegally-immigrate to America. Why would someone who's legally present in Europe (and presumably tax-paying) sneak away to America? If such people want to immigrate to America it's fair to assume they would do it the proper way (instead of going there on a tourist visa and disappearing).
- reisse 3y ago
  > No it's not. > Anecdata: plenty of Indian citizens in Europe go troublefree to the US. > I personally know a few people. I have my anecdata too, I know a few people who are travelling to Europe and they're getting single entry fixed dates visas every time. Sure they "go troublefree" by some definition, but in their home country they'd most certainly get long-term multivisas. And that's not even mentioning queue times... > You make it sound like they would illegally-immigrate to America. Have you ever been on a visa interview in US embassy? These guys view most people as willing to illegally immigrate to America. It's your burden to prove that you're going to return, and every fact counts. > Why would someone who's legally present in Europe (and presumably tax-paying) sneak away to America? Higher salaries, better job market, better living conditions, you name it. > If such people want to immigrate to America it's fair to assume they would do it the proper way (instead of going there on a tourist visa and disappearing). The proper way when you are selling your soul to a corporation for 3 to 5 years (L1)? Or the proper way when you are playing lottery with little-to-no chance to win (DV)? Or the proper way when you are playing lottery with a slightly higher chance to win, but with a 10+ years path to permanant resident status (H1B)? Like, the only somewhat working way to legally immigrate to America is to either grind portfolio for O1 visa, or to go study and try very hard to change status there. US immigration system is so fucked up there is no proper way easier than crossing Mexican border and legalizing as a refugee. Or "disappearing" on tourist visa.