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> significantly lags the US and China as a tech power. > US and China Notoriously famous for their awesome work culture. No, thank you. Another useless tech

by yhavr 3y ago

> significantly lags the US and China as a tech power. > US and China Notoriously famous for their awesome work culture. No, thank you. Another useless tech doesn't worth my mental health. Especially with the ability of working remotely and not being tied to the local market.

rafram 3y ago
The US isn’t known for workers’ rights overall, but tech workers in the US have great benefits and make 2+ times as much as tech workers in the EU do.
- m2fkxy 3y ago
  what about the gap in disposable: - income (factoring COL, insurance, and other budget items)? - free-time (time off, work schedule)?
- chpatrick 3y ago
  Maybe in terms of numbers but a huge amount of people I met in Silicon Valley with great pay and benefits seemed to be depressed.
- yhavr 3y ago
  > great benefits You mean health insurance or pension plans? :-) > and make 2+ times as much as tech workers in the EU do. Phew, what is the purpose of this 2x salary, if you don't have time or energy to use it. To raise another generation of busy burnoutees? Or to buy benefits the European takes for granted? From what I see, Europe actually has the opposite trend for switching to the 4-day workweek, instead of working hard @ buying big houses and cars.
  - jfdbcv 3y ago
    The purpose of a 2x salary is to be able to achieve financial independence at a much earlier age and getting the freedom to retire anywhere you want in the world.
- underlines 3y ago
  Switzerland has great workers rights plus salaries slightly below the median (in tech), but way higher for most other professions. Overall much better distributed wealth. Here you're easily getting 120k+ for regular tech jobs in your 30ies. How people can (still) be in favor of hustle culture and work for companies that actively prevent unions and live in societies that encourage unequalness to such a great extend is beyond my understanding.
  - rafram 3y ago
    Every single person I know from my CS program in the US got a job paying more than 120k straight out of college. By their 30s they’ll be making double that.

by yhavr 3y ago

rafram 3y ago

The US isn’t known for workers’ rights overall, but tech workers in the US have great benefits and make 2+ times as much as tech workers in the EU do.

m2fkxy 3y ago
what about the gap in disposable: - income (factoring COL, insurance, and other budget items)? - free-time (time off, work schedule)?
chpatrick 3y ago
Maybe in terms of numbers but a huge amount of people I met in Silicon Valley with great pay and benefits seemed to be depressed.
yhavr 3y ago
> great benefits You mean health insurance or pension plans? :-) > and make 2+ times as much as tech workers in the EU do. Phew, what is the purpose of this 2x salary, if you don't have time or energy to use it. To raise another generation of busy burnoutees? Or to buy benefits the European takes for granted? From what I see, Europe actually has the opposite trend for switching to the 4-day workweek, instead of working hard @ buying big houses and cars.
- jfdbcv 3y ago
  The purpose of a 2x salary is to be able to achieve financial independence at a much earlier age and getting the freedom to retire anywhere you want in the world.
underlines 3y ago
Switzerland has great workers rights plus salaries slightly below the median (in tech), but way higher for most other professions. Overall much better distributed wealth. Here you're easily getting 120k+ for regular tech jobs in your 30ies. How people can (still) be in favor of hustle culture and work for companies that actively prevent unions and live in societies that encourage unequalness to such a great extend is beyond my understanding.
- rafram 3y ago
  Every single person I know from my CS program in the US got a job paying more than 120k straight out of college. By their 30s they’ll be making double that.