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Regarding the US, as an European the ESTA is tied to the passport, so when it expires (or you lose it and have to renew it), you have to redo it. So yeah, usual

Regarding the US, as an European the ESTA is tied to the passport, so when it expires (or you lose it and have to renew it), you have to redo it. So yeah, usually it's ~10 years. EDIT: sorry for the misinformation, ESTA expires after 2 years OR when the passport expires [0] [0] https://help.cbp.gov/s/article/Article-1126?language=en_US https://help.cbp.gov/s/article/Article-1126?language=en_US

ido 3y ago
I thought EU citizens no longer need a visa to the US ahead of time at all[0]? [0] https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/tourism-visit/visa-waiver-program.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/tourism-...
- domh 3y ago
  It's not technically a visa, but you must have an ESTA which is like a pre-approval for a visa and is required for all flights to USA from participating countries. Then on arrival it's up to the border patrol to determine you're validity for entry and issue you with a 90 day "visa". From your link: > Travelers must have a valid Electronic System for Travel Authorization (ESTA) approval prior to travel and meet all requirements explained below. If you prefer to have a visa in your passport, you may still apply for a visitor (B) visa. So it's not as complex as the visa process and can be all done online. The ESTA lasts for 2 years (as far as I can remember). edit: spelling
  - yencabulator 3y ago
    The ESTA is not a visa and when using the Visa Waiver Program you do not have a visa. The Visa Waiver Program existed before ESTA. Think of ESTA as an opportunity to search for you in terrorist & crime databases ahead of time, as doing it at the time of the entry is logistically hard.
- arlcode 3y ago
  No Visa in advance but you need to fill out ESTA online a few days prior to your departure. If you are declined for ESTA you need to apply using the usual process at the embassy/consulate.
- mhitza 3y ago
  > I thought EU citizens no longer need a visa Overwhelming majority yes, exceptions are citizens of: Romania, Bulgaria and Cyprus.
  - 2143 3y ago
    What's different about those three countries?
    - mhitza 3y ago
      Not sure about Bulgaria and Cyprus, but in Romania's case having a visa refusal rate of above 3% From my circle of friends it seems like random chance, and because there is no reason given for the refusal one can only speculate. When I got my B-1/B-2 visa, my interview was very quick (I'd even dare to say closer to 1 minute). Whereas I have a couple of friends that applied for a travel visa and were rejected after being "interrogated" more heavily. When it comes to travel visas, I would assume they would mostly filter for potential illegal immigration, but all those I know that got rejected were pretty well "rooted" in the country. There might just be the fact that getting an invitation letter from a company is considerably more important than receiving one from anyone else.
    - 8note 3y ago
      Cyprus has a land dispute with the US. The Americans thought Turkey should run it to avoid them taking up a communist government There's still un peacekeepers there keeping the conflict quiet iirc
sampo 3y ago
Side note: EU is planning to retaliate, and just as US is requiring ESTA from EU citizens traveling to US, in 2024 EU will start to require a similar application caller ETIAS, from US citizens traveling to EU. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Travel_Information_and_Authorisation_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Travel_Information_an...
- mongol 3y ago
  Should it be seen as retaliation, or just rational decision to prevent illegal or unwanted migration?
  - lozenge 3y ago
    Retaliation is basically the default for visas. The data obtained from the ETIAS is no better than what they get from the airlines (APN) or scanning passports at the border.
  - deleted 3y ago
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  - vladvasiliu 3y ago
    According to that Wikipedia page, this looks very similar to the ESTA. Having had to apply for that last year, it's not at all clear to me how that could help prevent any kind of illegal or unwanted migration. It's not rocket science to say that "yeah, you're only visiting for a few days and that yes, you intend to go back". So I think it absolutely is a political circus, aka retaliation. Just like during COVID, when at one point cases started taking off in France again, some country (can't remember which, might have been the UK) started asking for a negative test before entering. Wouldn't you know it, the next day it became mandatory for people coming in the other way. Cases hadn't moved in that other country.
- tough 3y ago
  People on twitter seems to think this is the -end- of American tourism for Europe, funny how just bringing the same standards suddenly makes us a no-visiting place. FFS
domh 3y ago
ESTAs expire after 2 years. It costs $14 and a relatively (compared to an actual Visa) simple online form.

ido 3y ago

I thought EU citizens no longer need a visa to the US ahead of time at all[0]? [0] https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/tourism-visit/visa-waiver-program.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/tourism-...

domh 3y ago
It's not technically a visa, but you must have an ESTA which is like a pre-approval for a visa and is required for all flights to USA from participating countries. Then on arrival it's up to the border patrol to determine you're validity for entry and issue you with a 90 day "visa". From your link: > Travelers must have a valid Electronic System for Travel Authorization (ESTA) approval prior to travel and meet all requirements explained below. If you prefer to have a visa in your passport, you may still apply for a visitor (B) visa. So it's not as complex as the visa process and can be all done online. The ESTA lasts for 2 years (as far as I can remember). edit: spelling
- yencabulator 3y ago
  The ESTA is not a visa and when using the Visa Waiver Program you do not have a visa. The Visa Waiver Program existed before ESTA. Think of ESTA as an opportunity to search for you in terrorist & crime databases ahead of time, as doing it at the time of the entry is logistically hard.
arlcode 3y ago
No Visa in advance but you need to fill out ESTA online a few days prior to your departure. If you are declined for ESTA you need to apply using the usual process at the embassy/consulate.
mhitza 3y ago
> I thought EU citizens no longer need a visa Overwhelming majority yes, exceptions are citizens of: Romania, Bulgaria and Cyprus.
- 2143 3y ago
  What's different about those three countries?
  - mhitza 3y ago
    Not sure about Bulgaria and Cyprus, but in Romania's case having a visa refusal rate of above 3% From my circle of friends it seems like random chance, and because there is no reason given for the refusal one can only speculate. When I got my B-1/B-2 visa, my interview was very quick (I'd even dare to say closer to 1 minute). Whereas I have a couple of friends that applied for a travel visa and were rejected after being "interrogated" more heavily. When it comes to travel visas, I would assume they would mostly filter for potential illegal immigration, but all those I know that got rejected were pretty well "rooted" in the country. There might just be the fact that getting an invitation letter from a company is considerably more important than receiving one from anyone else.
  - 8note 3y ago
    Cyprus has a land dispute with the US. The Americans thought Turkey should run it to avoid them taking up a communist government There's still un peacekeepers there keeping the conflict quiet iirc

sampo 3y ago

Side note: EU is planning to retaliate, and just as US is requiring ESTA from EU citizens traveling to US, in 2024 EU will start to require a similar application caller ETIAS, from US citizens traveling to EU. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Travel_Information_and_Authorisation_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Travel_Information_an...

mongol 3y ago
Should it be seen as retaliation, or just rational decision to prevent illegal or unwanted migration?
- lozenge 3y ago
  Retaliation is basically the default for visas. The data obtained from the ETIAS is no better than what they get from the airlines (APN) or scanning passports at the border.
- deleted 3y ago
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- vladvasiliu 3y ago
  According to that Wikipedia page, this looks very similar to the ESTA. Having had to apply for that last year, it's not at all clear to me how that could help prevent any kind of illegal or unwanted migration. It's not rocket science to say that "yeah, you're only visiting for a few days and that yes, you intend to go back". So I think it absolutely is a political circus, aka retaliation. Just like during COVID, when at one point cases started taking off in France again, some country (can't remember which, might have been the UK) started asking for a negative test before entering. Wouldn't you know it, the next day it became mandatory for people coming in the other way. Cases hadn't moved in that other country.
tough 3y ago
People on twitter seems to think this is the -end- of American tourism for Europe, funny how just bringing the same standards suddenly makes us a no-visiting place. FFS

domh 3y ago

ESTAs expire after 2 years. It costs $14 and a relatively (compared to an actual Visa) simple online form.