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Well over 1GB for the Ventura 13.5.1 update and it takes 20 minutes to install on my M1 Pro MBP. "macOS Ventura 13.5.1 fixes an issue in System Settings that pr

Well over 1GB for the Ventura 13.5.1 update and it takes 20 minutes to install on my M1 Pro MBP. "macOS Ventura 13.5.1 fixes an issue in System Settings that prevents location permissions from appearing." I never thought I'd appreciate Windows Update but on there this would be less than 100MB and take 5 minutes to install...

gbil 3y ago
Exactly that and then they announced their rapid security response updates with some hope for change but... nope, still needing a reboot for browser updates!
- greggsy 3y ago
  The reboot is required because Safari is managed through a signed security volume (SSV). Unfortunately the inconvenience of that security feature means that most users will avoid patching, which defeats the purpose. The requirement to reboot is supposedly fixed in Sonoma, with discrete ‘cryptexes’. https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=3xpv8r2m https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=3xpv8r2m
- daneel_w 3y ago
  Sometimes you need a reboot for updating Safari, sometimes not. It depends on what components of it that are updated. Some of the stuff Safari uses are protected system resources that lie outside the application bundle itself, and I personally think the security scheme behind this is great.
tpmx 3y ago
Those 20 minutes combined with the (out-of-the-box) inability to schedule an update at a certain time is one of the more annoying aspects of macOS.
- ahoka 3y ago
  Let's just grab a coffee before my daily call and I get back to the dreaded update progress bar.
  - robmsmt 3y ago
    I don't understand how Apple have got this update process so wrong. I recently switched from a Ubuntu work laptop (that had live Kernel patching and occasional non-forced reboots) to big whole image OSX needing to update at the worst possible moment.
  - taf2 3y ago
    Just leave iterm open and auto magic updates will never catch by surprise again :)
pohuing 3y ago
Didn't the m1 mbp have an absurdly fast ssd as well? I always blamed my hackintosh's sata ssd for the slow updates but that's absurd
- bdavbdav 3y ago
  Not super fast, especially the smaller sized ones. My M2 MBP is slower than the 3 year old PCIE4 Sabrent rocket in my desktop.
- jlokier 3y ago
  " Apple's custom NVMes are amazingly fast – if you don't care about data integrity" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30370551 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30370551
cush 3y ago
I remember when this was a huge issue on Windows. Lately for me, Windows updates take maybe one minute (managed with autoupdate on), while my Mac and iPhone regularly see 10+ min updates.
barbariangrunge 3y ago
I had a gaming laptop idle for about 3 months. I decided to run some updates before we played some games on it one night and the updates took hours. They seem to always take hours
- OJFord 3y ago
  And then you reboot (because obviously that's necessary) and for some reason that means there's now 94 more updates available.
- kllrnohj 3y ago
  But your computer was usable for nearly the entire time, right? I don't care how long updates take if I can still keep doing things with it in the meantime. MacOS updates are the only thing that makes me sit and watch a progress bar for 20+ minutes. I've never experienced anything similar with any of my Windows computers, nor Linux ones, nor ChromeOS ones. MacOS stands alone as having by far the shittiest and slowest update system imaginable. Even Android during its "recompile every installed app after an OTA" phase didn't take as long as MacOS does, and that's with massively slower CPU & storage!

gbil 3y ago

Exactly that and then they announced their rapid security response updates with some hope for change but... nope, still needing a reboot for browser updates!

greggsy 3y ago
The reboot is required because Safari is managed through a signed security volume (SSV). Unfortunately the inconvenience of that security feature means that most users will avoid patching, which defeats the purpose. The requirement to reboot is supposedly fixed in Sonoma, with discrete ‘cryptexes’. https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=3xpv8r2m https://developer.apple.com/news/?id=3xpv8r2m
daneel_w 3y ago
Sometimes you need a reboot for updating Safari, sometimes not. It depends on what components of it that are updated. Some of the stuff Safari uses are protected system resources that lie outside the application bundle itself, and I personally think the security scheme behind this is great.

tpmx 3y ago

Those 20 minutes combined with the (out-of-the-box) inability to schedule an update at a certain time is one of the more annoying aspects of macOS.

ahoka 3y ago
Let's just grab a coffee before my daily call and I get back to the dreaded update progress bar.
- robmsmt 3y ago
  I don't understand how Apple have got this update process so wrong. I recently switched from a Ubuntu work laptop (that had live Kernel patching and occasional non-forced reboots) to big whole image OSX needing to update at the worst possible moment.
- taf2 3y ago
  Just leave iterm open and auto magic updates will never catch by surprise again :)

pohuing 3y ago

Didn't the m1 mbp have an absurdly fast ssd as well? I always blamed my hackintosh's sata ssd for the slow updates but that's absurd

bdavbdav 3y ago
Not super fast, especially the smaller sized ones. My M2 MBP is slower than the 3 year old PCIE4 Sabrent rocket in my desktop.
jlokier 3y ago
" Apple's custom NVMes are amazingly fast – if you don't care about data integrity" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30370551 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30370551

cush 3y ago

I remember when this was a huge issue on Windows. Lately for me, Windows updates take maybe one minute (managed with autoupdate on), while my Mac and iPhone regularly see 10+ min updates.

barbariangrunge 3y ago

I had a gaming laptop idle for about 3 months. I decided to run some updates before we played some games on it one night and the updates took hours. They seem to always take hours

OJFord 3y ago
And then you reboot (because obviously that's necessary) and for some reason that means there's now 94 more updates available.
kllrnohj 3y ago
But your computer was usable for nearly the entire time, right? I don't care how long updates take if I can still keep doing things with it in the meantime. MacOS updates are the only thing that makes me sit and watch a progress bar for 20+ minutes. I've never experienced anything similar with any of my Windows computers, nor Linux ones, nor ChromeOS ones. MacOS stands alone as having by far the shittiest and slowest update system imaginable. Even Android during its "recompile every installed app after an OTA" phase didn't take as long as MacOS does, and that's with massively slower CPU & storage!