>Movement without any clear goals fails to accomplish anything. You seem to have misunderstood my point, which was that even if there are clear goals, that's n

>Movement without any clear goals fails to accomplish anything. You seem to have misunderstood my point, which was that even if there are clear goals, that's not a guarantee that such goals are useful or reasonable -- even if they are accomplished. But that doesn't make such goals any less clear or specific.