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>This recent trend of openwashing is unwelcome because it misleads FOSS developers and users who are looking for software that can be used, examined, modified,

>This recent trend of openwashing is unwelcome because it misleads FOSS developers and users who are looking for software that can be used, examined, modified, and redistributed without limitation. Please do not use the Free Software Foundation's acronym, FOSS, to describe the OSI's definition of open source. Both of the links you provide from the Open Source Initiative don't mention FOSS at all. FOSS was initially defined by RMS: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Free_Software_Definition https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Free_Software_Definition FOSS leans Copyleft, which goes against the "without limitation" criteria you've used to characterize it. This nuance is explained here: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/floss-and-foss.en.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/floss-and-foss.en.html

commoner 3y ago
The point of my comment is to highlight how the OpenCopilot License is neither free nor open source. The MIT License (Expat License) is also a free software license, and you can use the FSF's link if you prefer: https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/License:Expat https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/License:Expat > Please do not use the Free Software Foundation's acronym, FOSS > FOSS was initially defined by RMS: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Free_Software_Definition https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Free_Software_Definition > This nuance is explained here: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/floss-and-foss.en.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/floss-and-foss.en.html Your two links contradict what you are saying. Through the Free Software Foundation, Richard Stallman defined the term free software, not the term FOSS (free and open source software). In fact, your second gnu.org link is an article in which Stallman criticizes the term FOSS and encourages people to switch to the term FLOSS (free/libre and open source software) instead. I am not as picky as Stallman about free/libre software getting 2 letters in the acronym instead of 1, so I tend to use the shorter and more common term FOSS. The acronym FOSS was intended to unify the free software community and the open source software community, and does not belong to the Free Software Foundation. > FOSS leans Copyleft, which goes against the "without limitation" criteria you've used to characterize it. Copyleft is a limitation on the license under which a piece of software can be redistributed, and not a limitation on whether the software can be redistributed. If you want to nitpick, go ahead and substitute what I said with the text of the Free Software Definition: "Freedom to distribute (freedoms 2 and 3) means you are free to redistribute copies, either with or without modifications, either gratis or charging a fee for distribution, to anyone anywhere. Being free to do these things means (among other things) that you do not have to ask or pay for permission to do so." The OpenCopilot License does not meet that requirement, either.
smcleod 3y ago
FOSS can also simply mean Free Open Source Software, not related to any specific org or license.

commoner 3y ago

The point of my comment is to highlight how the OpenCopilot License is neither free nor open source. The MIT License (Expat License) is also a free software license, and you can use the FSF's link if you prefer: https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/License:Expat https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/License:Expat > Please do not use the Free Software Foundation's acronym, FOSS > FOSS was initially defined by RMS: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Free_Software_Definition https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Free_Software_Definition > This nuance is explained here: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/floss-and-foss.en.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/floss-and-foss.en.html Your two links contradict what you are saying. Through the Free Software Foundation, Richard Stallman defined the term free software, not the term FOSS (free and open source software). In fact, your second gnu.org link is an article in which Stallman criticizes the term FOSS and encourages people to switch to the term FLOSS (free/libre and open source software) instead. I am not as picky as Stallman about free/libre software getting 2 letters in the acronym instead of 1, so I tend to use the shorter and more common term FOSS. The acronym FOSS was intended to unify the free software community and the open source software community, and does not belong to the Free Software Foundation. > FOSS leans Copyleft, which goes against the "without limitation" criteria you've used to characterize it. Copyleft is a limitation on the license under which a piece of software can be redistributed, and not a limitation on whether the software can be redistributed. If you want to nitpick, go ahead and substitute what I said with the text of the Free Software Definition: "Freedom to distribute (freedoms 2 and 3) means you are free to redistribute copies, either with or without modifications, either gratis or charging a fee for distribution, to anyone anywhere. Being free to do these things means (among other things) that you do not have to ask or pay for permission to do so." The OpenCopilot License does not meet that requirement, either.

smcleod 3y ago

FOSS can also simply mean Free Open Source Software, not related to any specific org or license.