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What’s really interesting/sad is there used to be tons of really large pools created as part of depression era recovery act public works programs. Then later,

by r00fus 3y ago

What’s really interesting/sad is there used to be tons of really large pools created as part of depression era recovery act public works programs. Then later, when equal rights law allowed non-whites to use the pools equally, cities and communities closed the pools and filled them up instead of allowing integration. https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101893972/why-arent-there-more-public-pools-in-california https://www.kqed.org/forum/2010101893972/why-arent-there-mor...

teaearlgraycold 3y ago
NIMBYism has been ruining America for a century.
- DonHopkins 3y ago
  The term you're looking for is "racism", and it's been ruining America for a lot longer than a century, and it still is, in fact it's on a resurgence, as we all well know (but some try to deny).
  - teaearlgraycold 3y ago
    The terms aren’t mutually exclusive
    - DonHopkins 3y ago
      Calling blatant racism "NIMBY" is whitewashing. And "for a century" is historically incorrect and revisionist, if you were actually talking about racism, which I don't believe you were. What was the real point you were trying to make? It sounds to me you're offering "NIMBY", which has nothing to do with race, as an alternative theory to counter the parent's point that it's actually racism, which is extremely well documented and not legitimately contested, and has been going on for a lot longer than a century. Are you literally saying people don't want swimming pools in their back yards? Really??! That's news to me. Or is it actually that they don't want black people in their public swimming pools? That's not what "NIMBY" means, but mutually exclusively exactly what "racism" means. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIMBY https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIMBY
sidewndr46 3y ago
My dad explained this to me as well, that most of the places closed up rather than admit minorities. As a result, the communities kind of collapsed.
- pengaru 3y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight
TheBlight 3y ago
FWIW this has nothing to do with why this specific pool closed. It fell into disrepair and was used as a parking lot for the zoo.
- wilsynet 3y ago
  Sure, Fleischacker pool was underfunded for years and fell into disrepair and then closed in 1971. But why was it underfunded, and why was there not enough money to repair it? Compare that to Kitsilano Pool in Canada. It was consistently repaired and upgraded over time, a fact well documented in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsilano_Pool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsilano_Pool
whoknowswhat11 3y ago
That’s a trope that doesn’t bear on the Fleishhacker pool closure. There’s been a shift I think in govt spending from things like recreation to social services. If you took the SF homeless and other social services budgets including state Medi-cal funding that dwarfs recreational spending - and this is a shift in allocation over time. And I thought pools were racially integrated historically and it’s when they integrated genders the race panic stupidity came in big time. Especially in south some bad behavior.

by r00fus 3y ago

teaearlgraycold 3y ago

NIMBYism has been ruining America for a century.

DonHopkins 3y ago
The term you're looking for is "racism", and it's been ruining America for a lot longer than a century, and it still is, in fact it's on a resurgence, as we all well know (but some try to deny).
- teaearlgraycold 3y ago
  The terms aren’t mutually exclusive
  - DonHopkins 3y ago
    Calling blatant racism "NIMBY" is whitewashing. And "for a century" is historically incorrect and revisionist, if you were actually talking about racism, which I don't believe you were. What was the real point you were trying to make? It sounds to me you're offering "NIMBY", which has nothing to do with race, as an alternative theory to counter the parent's point that it's actually racism, which is extremely well documented and not legitimately contested, and has been going on for a lot longer than a century. Are you literally saying people don't want swimming pools in their back yards? Really??! That's news to me. Or is it actually that they don't want black people in their public swimming pools? That's not what "NIMBY" means, but mutually exclusively exactly what "racism" means. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIMBY https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NIMBY

sidewndr46 3y ago

My dad explained this to me as well, that most of the places closed up rather than admit minorities. As a result, the communities kind of collapsed.

pengaru 3y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight

TheBlight 3y ago

FWIW this has nothing to do with why this specific pool closed. It fell into disrepair and was used as a parking lot for the zoo.

wilsynet 3y ago
Sure, Fleischacker pool was underfunded for years and fell into disrepair and then closed in 1971. But why was it underfunded, and why was there not enough money to repair it? Compare that to Kitsilano Pool in Canada. It was consistently repaired and upgraded over time, a fact well documented in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsilano_Pool https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsilano_Pool

whoknowswhat11 3y ago

That’s a trope that doesn’t bear on the Fleishhacker pool closure. There’s been a shift I think in govt spending from things like recreation to social services. If you took the SF homeless and other social services budgets including state Medi-cal funding that dwarfs recreational spending - and this is a shift in allocation over time. And I thought pools were racially integrated historically and it’s when they integrated genders the race panic stupidity came in big time. Especially in south some bad behavior.