> there is no "regression" Not according to your standards, and that's fine, for your standards. > There is a reason why you're losing this battle, and it's b

> there is no "regression" Not according to your standards, and that's fine, for your standards. > There is a reason why you're losing this battle, and it's because for many devs developing small apps, Electron is easier. That's it. What "battle"? Decent software still is being made, I'm still using it. But if someone is presented to the world, saying why I would never dream of using it is fair, no? Why should I care what's easier for some "rando dev"? I'm the person who would use their resources to run it, while not using things that are faster and don't introduce even half a second of "waiting" (who does that?) when starting them, doing the thing, quitting them; even when I already have dozens of similarly well made programs running. So while someone else might say "oh this is great, because I don't know about Avidemux (or would rather wait 5 seconds just staring at nothing than spend 2 seconds hunting for the menu option)", I don't. Either you accept both types of reaction, or none. > We're not talking about civil engineering, we're talking about an ffmpeg wrapper. Exactly. Why again is that over 100MB big? Even making it in Love2D or something would be a million times more sane. And again, I'm not talking about civil engineering either, the alternatives I presented were "an Avidemux tutorial" which would be like 5 sentences and 3 screenshots, or Avidemux minus all the other stuff. > If your alternatives were better at what devs and users cared about My opinion of something isn't about what other people care about, in their state of what I'd describe as ignorance. And you aren't even saying what you care about, you are talking about "the average user", which is a complete waste of time. Bring even just one actual non-technical person in and let each of us make our points, let us show them the process of installing and using each respective software, and you'd have the start of an argument. It's also not that everybody and their dog drives a SUV because that is sane. I don't care about what leads people to doing these things. I see the outcome, so whatever the root cause is, I see it as something to be improved, not accepted. If everything that anyone did was perfect by default and shouldn't be criticized, because that'd be a "weird moral judgement", why talk about anything? > You should be excited that frameworks like Electron allow more devs to make powerful tools accessible to the public so quickly. Why? Why can't you be excited that I can don't find them powerful, because they do 1% and take longer to do it, then sit there constantly taking up more space? After saying I am making "weird moral judgements", now you tell me what I should be excited for?