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This kind of corruption is very common in many parts of America. It's really not like other developed countries.

by midoridensha 3y ago

jquery 3y ago
It's not even like other developed parts of America.
- midoridensha 3y ago
  That's very true, which is why I wrote "in many parts of America". Some places are somewhat well-run, on par with other developed nations corruption-wise, and then other places resemble the most corrupt countries in the world. Most of Kansas is probably in the latter group, and various other states like Mississippi and Alabama. On top of this huge variance state-to-state, it's likely even worse when you compare county-to-county. Even within the same state, some low-population and usually remote counties can be incredibly corrupt, whereas the cities are fine.
  - hattmall 3y ago
    I'm curious in an example of what cities are fine? I feel like so many cities are wildly corrupt that the small areas can't even remotely compare.
    - giraffe_lady 3y ago
      It's a different kind of corruption. But I partially grew up in a rural area / small town and this sort of thing was a constant factor you just had to account for. The only thing surprising about this case is that it became national news.
  - gottorf 3y ago
    > Most of Kansas is probably in the latter group, and various other states like Mississippi and Alabama. Is this just a "those backwards rednecks" crack, or do you have some evidence to back this up? "Well-run" Massachusetts has a big scandal around their state police every few years. Most recently in 2022, a former president of the state police union was convicted of RICO charges. Do states like the ones you mentioned have higher RICO convictions of law enforcement and other state officials per capita, or something?
    - Clubber 3y ago
      The amount of cases where police routinely violate constitutional rights (like search, etc) in big cities like NYC, LA, etc is staggering. It's a country wide issue. To try to say, "oh it's only in small towns," is to completely bury your head in the sand in regards to one's local jurisdiction. Youtube is filled with videos of said violations and it's enough to have many channels covering it with plenty of content. There really needs to be some jail time for this. As the old saying goes, "we need to send a message to all the other law breakers, that such behavior will not be tolerated."
- AnthonyMouse 3y ago
  Eh. Employees of the justice system acting like they're above the law is a thing in more places than it isn't. In many places you don't hear about it, either because the local judge never got a DUI to have to lie about, or because they were more successful in covering it up. The main reason we're hearing about this one is that they went after a newsroom, and reporters everywhere will dig up every piece of dirt in the vicinity if you're dumb enough to do that one. Which is why they usually don't.
pyuser583 3y ago
I remember when Dominique Strauss-Khan was arrested for rape. Lots of folks were pointing out no other country would have arrested him. Certainly not in his native France. Same is true with the blood lady who had the fake tests. She got so many powerful people, including the head of the WSJ, as supporters. Didn’t help a bit. We do better at holding the powerful to account than most other countries.
FreshStart 3y ago
Reminds me of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiegel_affair https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiegel_affair
- midoridensha 3y ago
  That was in Germany, less than 20 years after the Nazis were in power and a dictatorship was in place. Remember, Spain was a dictatorship until 1975. Many other countries were pretty backwards in many ways too. All of Europe has progressed a lot since 1963 when the Spiegel affair happened.
plandis 3y ago
Do you have research data to support this?

This kind of corruption is very common in many parts of America. It's really not like other developed countries.

jquery 3y ago

It's not even like other developed parts of America.

midoridensha 3y ago
That's very true, which is why I wrote "in many parts of America". Some places are somewhat well-run, on par with other developed nations corruption-wise, and then other places resemble the most corrupt countries in the world. Most of Kansas is probably in the latter group, and various other states like Mississippi and Alabama. On top of this huge variance state-to-state, it's likely even worse when you compare county-to-county. Even within the same state, some low-population and usually remote counties can be incredibly corrupt, whereas the cities are fine.
- hattmall 3y ago
  I'm curious in an example of what cities are fine? I feel like so many cities are wildly corrupt that the small areas can't even remotely compare.
  - giraffe_lady 3y ago
    It's a different kind of corruption. But I partially grew up in a rural area / small town and this sort of thing was a constant factor you just had to account for. The only thing surprising about this case is that it became national news.
- gottorf 3y ago
  > Most of Kansas is probably in the latter group, and various other states like Mississippi and Alabama. Is this just a "those backwards rednecks" crack, or do you have some evidence to back this up? "Well-run" Massachusetts has a big scandal around their state police every few years. Most recently in 2022, a former president of the state police union was convicted of RICO charges. Do states like the ones you mentioned have higher RICO convictions of law enforcement and other state officials per capita, or something?
  - Clubber 3y ago
    The amount of cases where police routinely violate constitutional rights (like search, etc) in big cities like NYC, LA, etc is staggering. It's a country wide issue. To try to say, "oh it's only in small towns," is to completely bury your head in the sand in regards to one's local jurisdiction. Youtube is filled with videos of said violations and it's enough to have many channels covering it with plenty of content. There really needs to be some jail time for this. As the old saying goes, "we need to send a message to all the other law breakers, that such behavior will not be tolerated."
AnthonyMouse 3y ago
Eh. Employees of the justice system acting like they're above the law is a thing in more places than it isn't. In many places you don't hear about it, either because the local judge never got a DUI to have to lie about, or because they were more successful in covering it up. The main reason we're hearing about this one is that they went after a newsroom, and reporters everywhere will dig up every piece of dirt in the vicinity if you're dumb enough to do that one. Which is why they usually don't.

pyuser583 3y ago

I remember when Dominique Strauss-Khan was arrested for rape. Lots of folks were pointing out no other country would have arrested him. Certainly not in his native France. Same is true with the blood lady who had the fake tests. She got so many powerful people, including the head of the WSJ, as supporters. Didn’t help a bit. We do better at holding the powerful to account than most other countries.

FreshStart 3y ago

Reminds me of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiegel_affair https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiegel_affair

midoridensha 3y ago
That was in Germany, less than 20 years after the Nazis were in power and a dictatorship was in place. Remember, Spain was a dictatorship until 1975. Many other countries were pretty backwards in many ways too. All of Europe has progressed a lot since 1963 when the Spiegel affair happened.

plandis 3y ago

Do you have research data to support this?