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We're not reversing, we're not even slowing down, we're pulling our foot off the accelerator slightly. Reducing the 2nd derivative is better than nothing but i
by perrygeo 3y ago
We're not reversing, we're not even slowing down, we're pulling our foot off the accelerator slightly. Reducing the 2nd derivative is better than nothing but it's blatantly false to claim an "unprecedented scale and speed of decarbonisation".
Yes, all those processes require heat and energy. That's the point. How do you intend to distribute that energy across the global supply chain without a dense liquid fuel? It's never been done (though it is theoretically possible). Once we have renewables that can build other renewables without a drop of oil in the process, that's the beginning of a plan to end fossil fuels. I'm hopeful but all I can say is - prove it and we have something to talk about. Beyond that, it's a hypothetical.
- bryanlarsen 3y agoThe carbon emission growth rate since ~2013 has been lower than the population growth rate. Per capita emissions are falling. And it is an unprecedented scale and speed because it has never happened before outside of global recessions. The rate is pretty underwhelming and needs to be much more negative, but it is unprecedented. > How do you intend to distribute that energy across the global supply chain without a dense liquid fuel? Power lines and local generation are more efficient than transporting liquid fuels. > prove it and we have something to talk about. That's what the article is about. It's not theoretical anymore. The grid is decarbonizing.
- perrygeo 3y agoLol. You misunderstand almost all of my points but I'm tired of arguing. Decarbonizing means reducing carbon. Period.
- nitwit005 3y agoThis is what losing an argument looks like.
- diarrhea 3y agoRates don’t matter. Only absolute numbers matter, or in this case a single number. CO2 emissions, measured by mass. Divide by the atmosphere’s mass if you want a rate. Any other one is meaningless. Less per capita but more capita is still… more.
- bryanlarsen 3y agoAbsolute numbers don't change unless there is a first derivative. The first derivative doesn't change unless there is a second derivative. And we finally have a second derivative oointing in the right direction.
- dwaltrip 3y agoDon’t let perfect be the enemy of good.
- 9dev 3y agoBut it’s not good. Things are fucked up. People continue to fly, eat meat, and buy ever bigger SUVs and electronics all the time. Most of the worlds population hasn’t even recognised that’s a problem. On a larger scale, politics plays the blame game, industry shifts CO2 certificates, and everyone tries to keep doing what they’re doing while painting a thin green veneer on it.
- bryanlarsen 3y agoNo, the current status is not good. Not by a long shot. But what is good is solar and wind power, heat pumps and electric cars. These are finally starting to happen at scale. Celebrate the good and excoriate the bad like sham CO2 certificates, but don't stand in the way of progress.