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> a human decides to make fake pages about pickling dog biscuits because it was more important for them to make some money personally than for the search based

> a human decides to make fake pages about pickling dog biscuits because it was more important for them to make some money personally than for the search based internet to be anything but garbage If I think I make the best dog biscuits and I want to be found, then it’s not a “fake page” from my perspective — it’s just marketing and in a way I’m doing you a service because you’ll be happiest if you buy my dog biscuits.

catchnear4321 3y ago
so essentially lie to get attention, and that’s ok because you just wanted to help people find the best product - yours?
- paulcole 3y ago
  What’s the lie?
rubyfan 3y ago
That’s a different scenario altogether. I think the parent is referring to link farming and arbitrage type pages that serve the purpose of netting a commission, not selling more first party products.
wlesieutre 3y ago
And no one will find your page with the best dog biscuits because it’s buried on page 30 of the search results behind all of the people trying to generate ad money who don’t actually know anything about dog biscuits
fnordpiglet 3y ago
Do you think you’ll be found? That’s not how search engines work. You’ll make your lovingly made page, but someone with a link farm will bury you 20 result pages deep. The internet as indexed by search engines hasn’t worked for at least 10 years.
ryandrake 3y ago
Yea, this is the story that marketers tell themselves so they can sleep at night: "Well, I'm different! Unlike everyone else, my product is high quality! People will want to see it!" All ~10M marketers in the world excuse their actions with this rubbish.
- paulcole 3y ago
  Well one of them must be right, no? And many of them will have good products/offer a good value, too?
  - ryandrake 3y ago
    > Well one of them must be right, no? Not necessarily, but even if so, the fact that all N million minus one of them incorrectly think they are the special one, results in the sea of crap we have today. Another tough pill for marketers to please to swallow: Even IF the product is great, AND it's exactly what I need, AND I would be happy to buy it... I don't want to hear about it randomly throughout the day as I'm trying to live my life and do normal things other than "discovering products". I don't want to be actively or passively contacted uninvited by companies, even if I would be interested in their products. I'm not shopping. I don't want to hear about it.
  - fnordpiglet 3y ago
    That’s the power of a curated list. Consumer reports, Michelin, etc. It’s not you that’s advertising your product, it’s a trusted third party. Gaming search engine scoring algorithms is not the right way to prove your product is better. It’s the way to game a search engine to force yourself on to people.

catchnear4321 3y ago

so essentially lie to get attention, and that’s ok because you just wanted to help people find the best product - yours?

paulcole 3y ago
What’s the lie?

rubyfan 3y ago

That’s a different scenario altogether. I think the parent is referring to link farming and arbitrage type pages that serve the purpose of netting a commission, not selling more first party products.

wlesieutre 3y ago

And no one will find your page with the best dog biscuits because it’s buried on page 30 of the search results behind all of the people trying to generate ad money who don’t actually know anything about dog biscuits

fnordpiglet 3y ago

Do you think you’ll be found? That’s not how search engines work. You’ll make your lovingly made page, but someone with a link farm will bury you 20 result pages deep. The internet as indexed by search engines hasn’t worked for at least 10 years.

ryandrake 3y ago

Yea, this is the story that marketers tell themselves so they can sleep at night: "Well, I'm different! Unlike everyone else, my product is high quality! People will want to see it!" All ~10M marketers in the world excuse their actions with this rubbish.

paulcole 3y ago
Well one of them must be right, no? And many of them will have good products/offer a good value, too?
- ryandrake 3y ago
  > Well one of them must be right, no? Not necessarily, but even if so, the fact that all N million minus one of them incorrectly think they are the special one, results in the sea of crap we have today. Another tough pill for marketers to please to swallow: Even IF the product is great, AND it's exactly what I need, AND I would be happy to buy it... I don't want to hear about it randomly throughout the day as I'm trying to live my life and do normal things other than "discovering products". I don't want to be actively or passively contacted uninvited by companies, even if I would be interested in their products. I'm not shopping. I don't want to hear about it.
- fnordpiglet 3y ago
  That’s the power of a curated list. Consumer reports, Michelin, etc. It’s not you that’s advertising your product, it’s a trusted third party. Gaming search engine scoring algorithms is not the right way to prove your product is better. It’s the way to game a search engine to force yourself on to people.