> It was the countries that put the state first that killed millions of people - the fascists in Germany and Italy, the communists in Russia and China, and so o

> It was the countries that put the state first that killed millions of people - the fascists in Germany and Italy, the communists in Russia and China, and so on. Who stood up to them? This is a rather bizarre, ahistorical interpretation, because the communist Soviet Union fought against Germany in WW2 and indeed was an ally of the US. Likewise with communist China against Japan in WW2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-American_Cooperative_Organization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-American_Cooperative_Orga... In any case, I didn't intend to defend the whole of Hobbes's Leviathan. But I don't think there's any reason to believe that anarchy ("the state of nature") is any better. And remember that Leviathan was written during the English Civil War.