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I am unconvinced. Mammals suck at edge cases unless they have the training. Machines can machine learn edge cases by the boatload every day, and learn faster t

I am unconvinced. Mammals suck at edge cases unless they have the training. Machines can machine learn edge cases by the boatload every day, and learn faster than any mammal. Also, most driving is not edge cases. Most driving is 40 - 70 in 5th or 6th gear on highways. Finally, humans will always need to be in the loop with self-driving cars because humans are the passengers. Question is, what can we put in a self-driving car that will permit responsible human intervention? Because lots of idiots think they are better drivers than they really are. A subset of them will think they ate better than the machine, and most of the time, they will be wrong.

coffeefirst 3y ago
Well, I might be an idiot, but if the bar is currently set at "never hit a fire truck", I'm still several orders of magnitude better than the machine.
- FFP999 3y ago
  And with many fewer hours of training and experience, at that.
Eavolution 3y ago
Most driving for some people* Most of my driving is national speed limit country/2 lane roads. Because of where I live I'm rarely on big A roads or motorways. This kind of driving has many more edge cases, for example yesterday I had to go into the other side of the road to avoid a lot of ivy hanging off a stone wall that was torn down by the wind. I'm not sure I'd trust a self driving car with that (would radars see it?)
mplewis 3y ago
Well, it turns out the edge cases are where the self-driving cars crash into stuff.
acdha 3y ago
> Machines can machine learn edge cases by the boatload every day, and learn faster than any mammal. And yet here they are making the same mistakes for years, often ones which humans would not make (or would recover from, such as the robot cars blocking emergency vehicles). It seems likely that at some point in the future what you wrote will not be wrong but that hasn’t happened yet.
FFP999 3y ago
When missing an edge case can maim or kill multiple people, "good enough" is not nearly good enough.

coffeefirst 3y ago

Well, I might be an idiot, but if the bar is currently set at "never hit a fire truck", I'm still several orders of magnitude better than the machine.

FFP999 3y ago
And with many fewer hours of training and experience, at that.

Eavolution 3y ago

Most driving for some people* Most of my driving is national speed limit country/2 lane roads. Because of where I live I'm rarely on big A roads or motorways. This kind of driving has many more edge cases, for example yesterday I had to go into the other side of the road to avoid a lot of ivy hanging off a stone wall that was torn down by the wind. I'm not sure I'd trust a self driving car with that (would radars see it?)

mplewis 3y ago

Well, it turns out the edge cases are where the self-driving cars crash into stuff.

acdha 3y ago

> Machines can machine learn edge cases by the boatload every day, and learn faster than any mammal. And yet here they are making the same mistakes for years, often ones which humans would not make (or would recover from, such as the robot cars blocking emergency vehicles). It seems likely that at some point in the future what you wrote will not be wrong but that hasn’t happened yet.

FFP999 3y ago

When missing an edge case can maim or kill multiple people, "good enough" is not nearly good enough.