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In other forums, I’ve heard homeless complain they can’t bring their pets and would rather stay on the street than lose their best friend. From a public perspec

by itake 3y ago

In other forums, I’ve heard homeless complain they can’t bring their pets and would rather stay on the street than lose their best friend. From a public perspective, cleaning up and repairing pet damage seems an extra unnecessary cost that may hurt the next person that wants to live in the unit who may have allergies. In seattle, I’ve seen people in low income housing units complain their neighbors use drugs like marijuana, which they are extremely sensitive to. If you’re trying to get sober, having a neighbor using drugs makes it that much harder. Imho, most of these rules are normal “be nice to your neighbor”

pierat 3y ago
There's reasons why homeless members of society have dogs. And well, it ain't pretty. First, it's a deterrent to cops who fuck around. If they harass or arrest a homeless person with a dog, it's a whole lot more work that involves animal control.... So dogs are cop deterrent. Secondly, it's defense in some of the homeless camps. Dogs will defend their human.
- itake 3y ago
  I get it, but if they had housing, the excuses fall apart. Cops won’t bother them if they are in a shelter not causing issues. The housing would provide its own protections via securely locked doors and shelter staff. I’ve also seen enough police killing dog videos to question the first point.
  - vidarh 3y ago
    Wanting to be treated like a human is not excuses. As long as you want to treat homeless as of they're not people, why is it a surprise. many of them don't want to play along?
    - bumby 3y ago
      This is a terrible strawman. I haven't seen anyone here make a claim that homeless have no moral worth or being unworthy of respect. I think there's a case made for the opposite: expecting someone to be actively working towards self-sufficiency (if they're capable) is treating them with a modicum of decency and respect by not infantilizing them.
      - 6D794163636F756 3y ago
        People are actively arguing that they don't deserve to have the right to keep pets. People are also arguing that they should be forcibly housed and their agency takes from them. How are those not saying that they don't deserve basic human decency?
        bumby 3y ago
        Because in the current situation, they can’t be forcibly housed unless they prove to be a danger. They can’t just be swept up and incarcerated. Nobody is taking away their pets unless they are trying to go to a shelter that has a no-pets policy (often for good reason). Hell, I know a behavioral health supervisor who has an angry patient wielding a machete come to their office and the police didn’t think it warranted taking them in. I feel like this is a made up false dichotomy that society either needs to create homeless internment camps or give away free housing, no questions asked. It’s a bad faith narrative.

by itake 3y ago

pierat 3y ago

There's reasons why homeless members of society have dogs. And well, it ain't pretty. First, it's a deterrent to cops who fuck around. If they harass or arrest a homeless person with a dog, it's a whole lot more work that involves animal control.... So dogs are cop deterrent. Secondly, it's defense in some of the homeless camps. Dogs will defend their human.

itake 3y ago
I get it, but if they had housing, the excuses fall apart. Cops won’t bother them if they are in a shelter not causing issues. The housing would provide its own protections via securely locked doors and shelter staff. I’ve also seen enough police killing dog videos to question the first point.
- vidarh 3y ago
  Wanting to be treated like a human is not excuses. As long as you want to treat homeless as of they're not people, why is it a surprise. many of them don't want to play along?
  - bumby 3y ago
    This is a terrible strawman. I haven't seen anyone here make a claim that homeless have no moral worth or being unworthy of respect. I think there's a case made for the opposite: expecting someone to be actively working towards self-sufficiency (if they're capable) is treating them with a modicum of decency and respect by not infantilizing them.
    - 6D794163636F756 3y ago
      People are actively arguing that they don't deserve to have the right to keep pets. People are also arguing that they should be forcibly housed and their agency takes from them. How are those not saying that they don't deserve basic human decency?
      - bumby 3y ago
        Because in the current situation, they can’t be forcibly housed unless they prove to be a danger. They can’t just be swept up and incarcerated. Nobody is taking away their pets unless they are trying to go to a shelter that has a no-pets policy (often for good reason). Hell, I know a behavioral health supervisor who has an angry patient wielding a machete come to their office and the police didn’t think it warranted taking them in. I feel like this is a made up false dichotomy that society either needs to create homeless internment camps or give away free housing, no questions asked. It’s a bad faith narrative.