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You really think if entrenched terminology had potential sexual connotations, people wouldn’t make a fuss for it being changed? You must not have met humans.

pavlov 3y ago
If the original terms had been “cock/pussy”, I don’t think many people would be up in arms about changing it. And if you think that’s ridiculous because nobody would ever have named database components something so obviously offensive, that’s the whole point. Norms change. There was a time just 50-60 years ago when sexual harassment in workplaces was much more accepted than today. Similarly non-inclusive language was much more accepted a few decades ago. In both cases many men have trouble adapting and think it’s a sign of decline of society that their assumptions are being challenged.
- NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
  So we're not allowed to label connectors as "male/female" anymore, because that's transphobic. It seems like peak science denialism to me, and it's ironic that we were already, 30 years ago, using terms like "gender-changer" when discussing these connectors too. Frankly it seems to me that most modern connectors are trans already: is USB-C male or female? Both?
  - scrollaway 3y ago
    > is USB-C male or female? Both? I’m not sure what you mean. Like all of its predecessors, USB-C has both a male and female connector. Your phone has the female port, your charger has the male one.
    - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
      No, USB-C has one type of plug and one type of port. The port is what you're calling "female" except look closer. Look closer at both ends. You'll see that the plug has a female void in the center, and the port has a male tongue in the center to fit that void. Therefore, it is hermaphrodite on both ends. It's basically the same with USB-A.
      - scrollaway 3y ago
        Hermaphroditic connectors are a thing, and it’s not what usb c is. Wikipedia has a good article. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_of_connectors_and_fasteners https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_of_connectors_and_fas...
        NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
        Huh, thanks for the article: I've learned a bunch of new terms that we still can't use anymore because they refer to gender and they're transphobic. The guidance said to use terms like "plug" and "port" and "jack" and stuff. Although isn't the latter rather sexual???
        flangola7 3y ago
        Sexual doesn't have harmful or derogatory overtones, it's neutral.
        NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
        Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion, man. https://youtu.be/Z-xI1384Ry4 https://youtu.be/Z-xI1384Ry4 The guidance says that referring to "gender" is offensive, and so the guidance lists preferred terms that replace the "gender-based" offensive ones. That's the opinion of the folks who wrote the guidance.

pavlov 3y ago

If the original terms had been “cock/pussy”, I don’t think many people would be up in arms about changing it. And if you think that’s ridiculous because nobody would ever have named database components something so obviously offensive, that’s the whole point. Norms change. There was a time just 50-60 years ago when sexual harassment in workplaces was much more accepted than today. Similarly non-inclusive language was much more accepted a few decades ago. In both cases many men have trouble adapting and think it’s a sign of decline of society that their assumptions are being challenged.

NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
So we're not allowed to label connectors as "male/female" anymore, because that's transphobic. It seems like peak science denialism to me, and it's ironic that we were already, 30 years ago, using terms like "gender-changer" when discussing these connectors too. Frankly it seems to me that most modern connectors are trans already: is USB-C male or female? Both?
- scrollaway 3y ago
  > is USB-C male or female? Both? I’m not sure what you mean. Like all of its predecessors, USB-C has both a male and female connector. Your phone has the female port, your charger has the male one.
  - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
    No, USB-C has one type of plug and one type of port. The port is what you're calling "female" except look closer. Look closer at both ends. You'll see that the plug has a female void in the center, and the port has a male tongue in the center to fit that void. Therefore, it is hermaphrodite on both ends. It's basically the same with USB-A.
    - scrollaway 3y ago
      Hermaphroditic connectors are a thing, and it’s not what usb c is. Wikipedia has a good article. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_of_connectors_and_fasteners https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_of_connectors_and_fas...
      - NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
        Huh, thanks for the article: I've learned a bunch of new terms that we still can't use anymore because they refer to gender and they're transphobic. The guidance said to use terms like "plug" and "port" and "jack" and stuff. Although isn't the latter rather sexual???
        flangola7 3y ago
        Sexual doesn't have harmful or derogatory overtones, it's neutral.
        NoZebra120vClip 3y ago
        Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, uh, your opinion, man. https://youtu.be/Z-xI1384Ry4 https://youtu.be/Z-xI1384Ry4 The guidance says that referring to "gender" is offensive, and so the guidance lists preferred terms that replace the "gender-based" offensive ones. That's the opinion of the folks who wrote the guidance.