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> Country farms, even with animals, and horses pulling carts and whatnot are nothing like the 10,000s of cars a day going by Completely different noise. Those

by mdp2021 3y ago

> Country farms, even with animals, and horses pulling carts and whatnot are nothing like the 10,000s of cars a day going by Completely different noise. Those combustion and pistons engines create a texture¹, while the animal voices have been naturally developed to call for attention. A thousand motors create a background; one or a thousand dogs or deers are one or a thousand "Hey!"s, impacting sounds made to pierce the background. Like a thousand hums vs a thousand snares. ¹(Assuming, as the poster suggested, we are speaking of the continuous flow and not of single reverse-muffler-from-hell that pass nearby in their trail of havoc and Doppler)

namaria 3y ago
A harsh 75 dB+ of engine noise "texture" is abrasive and stressful. A pre-industrial farm background of wind, animal calls, bird songs, water flow sounds like paradise in comparison. A word, incidentally, that means garden. Places full of pleasant sounds. No one ever thought a city center 2 pm on a Monday a fitting metaphor for 'most pleasant place conceivable'.
- mdp2021 3y ago
  > 75 dB+ That depends on the distance. > A pre-industrial farm background of wind, animal calls, bird songs, water flow sounds like paradise in comparison No. It just "«sounds»". I am typing in real time a couple dozen yards from a stream, it is much more annoying than a motorway at reasonable distance (which, as others have noted, means "kilometers" - as people who got unused to the outdoors lost the idea of how easily sound propagates without barriers). It includes even more annoying parts like the rumble that falls create through the landscape acoustic. Animal calls here are the typical obtuse racial slurs barked from villas (occasionally cries of terror from the woods). Wild boars are fortunately very polite sound wise. But birds, with their shrieks, up to cuckoos deejaying around, can be the most annoying - even more when you suspect that they are advertising for mating, the fixated things. But speaking of texture: oh the insects. Go into the right woods in the right season, and see if your thought can be louder than the buzz. Speaking of natural background can be as "innocent" as dreaming of that fashion model unaware of her halitosis. > paradise ... most pleasant place conceivable The idea of the "garden" was coined by people who lived surrounded by sand, burned their feet on sand, ate sand and drank sand juice. And thought "If only I had the luxury to live through picking fruits and enjoy a bit of shade". > No one ever thought Just generalization and evident pitfalls, there was a guy who loved the smell of napalm in the morning.
  - namaria 3y ago
    It's 75 dB+ inside my home if I open the windows. Roadside it can breach 100 dB. I won't pick your comment apart as you did mine since in my opinion it comes off as rude. But it's weird imagining 'gardens' are pleasant only from the point of view of some weird caricature of Arrakis fremen when paradeiso was a Persian word. I.e., from nomadic peoples traveling the highlands and mountain valleys of central Asia. I hope you can escape from the nature sounds you find so unpleasant. I won't dispute the fact that soundscape preferences are subjective. We obviously disagree on that.
    - mdp2021 3y ago
      > in my opinion it comes off as rude I am just analytic. > paradeiso was a Persian word [...] nature sounds you find so unpleasant Do not miss that that that word meant "enclosure", "a walled thing" - your garden, something you manage: they probably wanted to leave out moles, shrieking bellbirds, drumkits an possibly even clamouring carts. So, it is not a matter of choosing "a hit in the head or a poke in the eye", it is that sounds can be annoying, you have to be proportionally thick skinned to bear them, whatever they are, it does not matter if artificial or natural, it matters if the pattern rhythm insistence frequencies and loudness are more disturbing than not. > It's 75 dB+ inside my home if I open the windows. Roadside it can breach 100 dB You are strongly suggesting that your diet overly rich in salt makes you crave for sugar... But it remains like in Bertrand Blier's Buffet Froid: "It's the cement everywhere, the city, the alienation, that is making me insane! I want to hear the birds...". Next scene: all laying in the countryside. "It's humid!..."
ChatGTP 3y ago
Try living under or near a flight path (I have) and tell me if it creature texture for you... I could even identify the different types of jets from the weird reverberations around the house.
- mdp2021 3y ago
  > Try living under or near a flight path «Cars», the original poster spoke of ___cars___, not planes... I wrote «Those combustion and pistons engines», ___those___...

namaria 3y ago

A harsh 75 dB+ of engine noise "texture" is abrasive and stressful. A pre-industrial farm background of wind, animal calls, bird songs, water flow sounds like paradise in comparison. A word, incidentally, that means garden. Places full of pleasant sounds. No one ever thought a city center 2 pm on a Monday a fitting metaphor for 'most pleasant place conceivable'.

mdp2021 3y ago
> 75 dB+ That depends on the distance. > A pre-industrial farm background of wind, animal calls, bird songs, water flow sounds like paradise in comparison No. It just "«sounds»". I am typing in real time a couple dozen yards from a stream, it is much more annoying than a motorway at reasonable distance (which, as others have noted, means "kilometers" - as people who got unused to the outdoors lost the idea of how easily sound propagates without barriers). It includes even more annoying parts like the rumble that falls create through the landscape acoustic. Animal calls here are the typical obtuse racial slurs barked from villas (occasionally cries of terror from the woods). Wild boars are fortunately very polite sound wise. But birds, with their shrieks, up to cuckoos deejaying around, can be the most annoying - even more when you suspect that they are advertising for mating, the fixated things. But speaking of texture: oh the insects. Go into the right woods in the right season, and see if your thought can be louder than the buzz. Speaking of natural background can be as "innocent" as dreaming of that fashion model unaware of her halitosis. > paradise ... most pleasant place conceivable The idea of the "garden" was coined by people who lived surrounded by sand, burned their feet on sand, ate sand and drank sand juice. And thought "If only I had the luxury to live through picking fruits and enjoy a bit of shade". > No one ever thought Just generalization and evident pitfalls, there was a guy who loved the smell of napalm in the morning.
- namaria 3y ago
  It's 75 dB+ inside my home if I open the windows. Roadside it can breach 100 dB. I won't pick your comment apart as you did mine since in my opinion it comes off as rude. But it's weird imagining 'gardens' are pleasant only from the point of view of some weird caricature of Arrakis fremen when paradeiso was a Persian word. I.e., from nomadic peoples traveling the highlands and mountain valleys of central Asia. I hope you can escape from the nature sounds you find so unpleasant. I won't dispute the fact that soundscape preferences are subjective. We obviously disagree on that.
  - mdp2021 3y ago
    > in my opinion it comes off as rude I am just analytic. > paradeiso was a Persian word [...] nature sounds you find so unpleasant Do not miss that that that word meant "enclosure", "a walled thing" - your garden, something you manage: they probably wanted to leave out moles, shrieking bellbirds, drumkits an possibly even clamouring carts. So, it is not a matter of choosing "a hit in the head or a poke in the eye", it is that sounds can be annoying, you have to be proportionally thick skinned to bear them, whatever they are, it does not matter if artificial or natural, it matters if the pattern rhythm insistence frequencies and loudness are more disturbing than not. > It's 75 dB+ inside my home if I open the windows. Roadside it can breach 100 dB You are strongly suggesting that your diet overly rich in salt makes you crave for sugar... But it remains like in Bertrand Blier's Buffet Froid: "It's the cement everywhere, the city, the alienation, that is making me insane! I want to hear the birds...". Next scene: all laying in the countryside. "It's humid!..."

ChatGTP 3y ago

Try living under or near a flight path (I have) and tell me if it creature texture for you... I could even identify the different types of jets from the weird reverberations around the house.

mdp2021 3y ago
> Try living under or near a flight path «Cars», the original poster spoke of ___cars___, not planes... I wrote «Those combustion and pistons engines», ___those___...