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Article felt off to me. Was curious about author, not much on his site. Then this: https://cris-italia.medium.com/seth-simons-is-not-a-journalist-71ec06bdafe2 h

Article felt off to me. Was curious about author, not much on his site. Then this: https://cris-italia.medium.com/seth-simons-is-not-a-journalist-71ec06bdafe2 https://cris-italia.medium.com/seth-simons-is-not-a-journali... Explains what I picked up

jeffgreco 3y ago
What on earth is this linked piece? Bizarre behavior.
hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
Thanks very much for posting this - I got a similar vibe (and I'm also getting the sense a lot of these comments here are just about the title and from folks that didn't actually read the article). Basically, it felt like the author was trying to weave a narrative that Lorne Michaels is as toxic as, say, Scott Rubin ( https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/everyone-just-knows-hes-an-absolute-monster-scott-rudins-ex-staffers-speak-out-on-abusive-behavior-4161883/ https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/everyone... ), but his evidence just came off as way, way weaker, and so in the end it felt like a hit piece to me. My guess is a better analogy is someone like Anna Wintour: someone notorious for being demanding and difficult to work with, but also someone who engenders loyalty of people that work with her - more of a "very tough but ultimately fair" sort of vibe.
jrflowers 3y ago
If anybody is wondering why that article feels off, Cris Italia was responding to this article wherein he was called out for pretty obviously pushing vaccine-autism stuff in October of 2020. https://sethsimons.substack.com/p/the-comedy-club-owner-with-a-background https://sethsimons.substack.com/p/the-comedy-club-owner-with...
- hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
  Man, both these people come off as weirdly assholish to me. I mean, look at the title of the article you posted: "The Comedy Club Owner With a Background Questioning Vaccine Safety- Come with me down a disturbing rabbit hole." Why would I give a fuck that a comedy club owner is questioning vaccine safety? Last I checked comedy club owners aren't setting medical policy, and it's not like they have the broad reach to influence social policy. People are still allowed to believe whatever the hell they want, even if it's dumb. The "Come with me down a disturbing rabbit hole" subtitle sounds like something from a junior BuzzFeed intern.
  - plorg 3y ago
    The series started with the author writing about the comedy club owner violating Covid restrictions in NYC, which is a perfectly fine subject for journalism. The article you are looking at is a response to the comedy club guy pissing about the first article and doing the same thing he does in the GP - "no, this guy isn't a journalist, but when I post on Twitter I am and I must not express any beliefs, and for Seth to pretend that I have them and have expressed them is wrong" then proceed to advocate for the thing he said it would be unethical to express a belief about. The tone isn't gentle, but it's perfectly reasonably to then lay out, "well this guy actually had expressed this belief in medical conspiracy theories" and tie that to the original article.
- kurisufag 3y ago
  the home of the "Legion of Skanks", a show whose self-proclaimed core values are "rape, retardation, and racism", and a club that regularly headlines "The Amazing Racist" Ari Shaffir doesn't have progressive owners? shocking, I know. interestingly enough, Seth Simons was also the hack that got Shane Gillis fired from SNL[0]. just let funny people be funny. [0]https://brobible.com/culture/article/norm-macdonald-ballistic-dude-outed-shane-gillis/ https://brobible.com/culture/article/norm-macdonald-ballisti...
  - jrflowers 3y ago
    > Seth Simons was also the hack that got Shane Gillis fired from SNL It was abhorrent when Seth Simons held Shane Gillis at gunpoint and made him say slurs on a podcast. It is journalistic malpractice to allow somebody that would do such a thing to keep writing articles.

jeffgreco 3y ago

What on earth is this linked piece? Bizarre behavior.

hn_throwaway_99 3y ago

Thanks very much for posting this - I got a similar vibe (and I'm also getting the sense a lot of these comments here are just about the title and from folks that didn't actually read the article). Basically, it felt like the author was trying to weave a narrative that Lorne Michaels is as toxic as, say, Scott Rubin ( https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/everyone-just-knows-hes-an-absolute-monster-scott-rudins-ex-staffers-speak-out-on-abusive-behavior-4161883/ https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/everyone... ), but his evidence just came off as way, way weaker, and so in the end it felt like a hit piece to me. My guess is a better analogy is someone like Anna Wintour: someone notorious for being demanding and difficult to work with, but also someone who engenders loyalty of people that work with her - more of a "very tough but ultimately fair" sort of vibe.

jrflowers 3y ago

If anybody is wondering why that article feels off, Cris Italia was responding to this article wherein he was called out for pretty obviously pushing vaccine-autism stuff in October of 2020. https://sethsimons.substack.com/p/the-comedy-club-owner-with-a-background https://sethsimons.substack.com/p/the-comedy-club-owner-with...

hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
Man, both these people come off as weirdly assholish to me. I mean, look at the title of the article you posted: "The Comedy Club Owner With a Background Questioning Vaccine Safety- Come with me down a disturbing rabbit hole." Why would I give a fuck that a comedy club owner is questioning vaccine safety? Last I checked comedy club owners aren't setting medical policy, and it's not like they have the broad reach to influence social policy. People are still allowed to believe whatever the hell they want, even if it's dumb. The "Come with me down a disturbing rabbit hole" subtitle sounds like something from a junior BuzzFeed intern.
- plorg 3y ago
  The series started with the author writing about the comedy club owner violating Covid restrictions in NYC, which is a perfectly fine subject for journalism. The article you are looking at is a response to the comedy club guy pissing about the first article and doing the same thing he does in the GP - "no, this guy isn't a journalist, but when I post on Twitter I am and I must not express any beliefs, and for Seth to pretend that I have them and have expressed them is wrong" then proceed to advocate for the thing he said it would be unethical to express a belief about. The tone isn't gentle, but it's perfectly reasonably to then lay out, "well this guy actually had expressed this belief in medical conspiracy theories" and tie that to the original article.
kurisufag 3y ago
the home of the "Legion of Skanks", a show whose self-proclaimed core values are "rape, retardation, and racism", and a club that regularly headlines "The Amazing Racist" Ari Shaffir doesn't have progressive owners? shocking, I know. interestingly enough, Seth Simons was also the hack that got Shane Gillis fired from SNL[0]. just let funny people be funny. [0]https://brobible.com/culture/article/norm-macdonald-ballistic-dude-outed-shane-gillis/ https://brobible.com/culture/article/norm-macdonald-ballisti...
- jrflowers 3y ago
  > Seth Simons was also the hack that got Shane Gillis fired from SNL It was abhorrent when Seth Simons held Shane Gillis at gunpoint and made him say slurs on a podcast. It is journalistic malpractice to allow somebody that would do such a thing to keep writing articles.