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The coup most definitely did not install a theocratic government, an autocratic one quite likely but lets not pretend that the western secular Iran of the 60’s

The coup most definitely did not install a theocratic government, an autocratic one quite likely but lets not pretend that the western secular Iran of the 60’s people seem to be so fond off wasn’t there predominantly because of the Shah not despite of him. The Islamic Revolution didn’t succeed power by chance, whilst the Shah was opposed by many factions form secular communists to religious fanatics the reason why the mullahs came on top was because the majority of the population was a bunch of illiterate religious nut jobs. This is also why Turkey has regressed so much, the secular metropolitan elite that followed Ataturk’s legacy was and is out numbered by the rural masses at least 3 to 1. At some point something had to give which is now why you have decades of Erdogan.

ReptileMan 3y ago
>At some point something had to give which is now why you have decades of Erdogan. What gave was the usual brilliance of Brussels. The generals were plotting to kill him on national TV as they usually did, but around 2005-6 EU leaders started pearl clutching about religious freedom and how Turkey would never enter EU if not human rights or similar bullshit - so Turkey is still outside of EU, no chance of getting in, but they enjoy serious regress in freedoms, Islamization and a monkey with a wrench in charge of their economy.
- dogma1138 3y ago
  It’s laughable that people blame the EU for Turkey’s regression. 2nd the 3rd generation Turks in the EU are amongst Erdogan’s most radical supporters, Erdogan got a far greater share of the overseas ballots from EU member states than he did back in Turkey, in fact the only two countries where the opposition had a lead were the UK and US. Turkey always had a demographic problem, just like Iran does, it’s not in the EU because it could not resolve its own demographic problem not that it’s demographic problem was somehow due to the EU closing the door on Turkey’s membership.
  - ReptileMan 3y ago
    It was about EU meddling in Turkey affairs. If the army had dealt with Erdogan in the early 00s the secular faction of Turkish society would still be on top. Of course the EU votes would go to Erdogan - the people that moved to Germany were from his power base demographic.

ReptileMan 3y ago

>At some point something had to give which is now why you have decades of Erdogan. What gave was the usual brilliance of Brussels. The generals were plotting to kill him on national TV as they usually did, but around 2005-6 EU leaders started pearl clutching about religious freedom and how Turkey would never enter EU if not human rights or similar bullshit - so Turkey is still outside of EU, no chance of getting in, but they enjoy serious regress in freedoms, Islamization and a monkey with a wrench in charge of their economy.

dogma1138 3y ago
It’s laughable that people blame the EU for Turkey’s regression. 2nd the 3rd generation Turks in the EU are amongst Erdogan’s most radical supporters, Erdogan got a far greater share of the overseas ballots from EU member states than he did back in Turkey, in fact the only two countries where the opposition had a lead were the UK and US. Turkey always had a demographic problem, just like Iran does, it’s not in the EU because it could not resolve its own demographic problem not that it’s demographic problem was somehow due to the EU closing the door on Turkey’s membership.
- ReptileMan 3y ago
  It was about EU meddling in Turkey affairs. If the army had dealt with Erdogan in the early 00s the secular faction of Turkish society would still be on top. Of course the EU votes would go to Erdogan - the people that moved to Germany were from his power base demographic.