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No, it isnt. July 4th happened after the Union was already a thing.
by jmsdnns 3y ago
No, it isnt. July 4th happened after the Union was already a thing.
- tedunangst 3y agoI mean, your birthday also happens after you are already a thing.
- supazek 3y agoActually you’re just a clump of cells until you’re born
- oaththrowaway 3y agoYou're still a clump of cells
- bombcar 3y agoUnless you’re an elf (according to Tolkien), but apparently they gestate for a year so it doesn’t matter.
- selimthegrim 3y agoDidn’t the Koreans give up on that recently?
- parineum 3y ago> Fourth of July, is a federal holiday in the United States commemorating the Declaration of Independence, which was ratified by the Second Continental Congress on July 4, 1776, establishing the United States of America. > The main thing to understand, before I go into detail, is that the Declaration of Independence is one of the founding documents, but it did not create a nation. Some of the colonists got together and wrote a historically eloquent letter to the world that basically said, “ayyyy England, F your king!” Saying "F your king" is an integral part in being independent of England which is a prerequisite to being an independent nation. The Declaration of Independence established the United States as an independent nation. Any previous forms of the United States would have been a colony of England. > The Continental Association is first time the colonies expressed a collective will to work together in the form of a legal document. It was published October 20, 1774 but went into effect December 1, 1774. The US does not observe December 1 as a national holiday, though it should. It is barely in the cultural memory at all. The Continental Association is, essentially, where the colonies got together and discussed the idea of independence. The word "colonies" is a dead giveaway. After July 4th, there were no more colonies. "The Union", referred to by Lincoln. Is not synonymous with the Nation. The independent nation of the United States of America declared its sovereignty on July 4th, 1776. That's the "correct" way to think about July 4th, aka Independence Day.
- jmsdnns 3y agoIt didnt have its sovereignty until the Treaty of Paris was signed in 1783. You can say whatever day you want is your birthday, but only one day actually is.
- bhewes 3y agoBecause a treaty in Europe determines sovereignty?
- jmsdnns 3y agoYes. That's when England recognized it as a nation.
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- Ylpertnodi 3y ago'England', or the United Kingdom?
- Karellen 3y agoA treaty between the breakaway rebels, and the previous claimants to sovereignty, where the previous claimants accept the rebels claims and give up their own, would seem to be a pretty good candidate for the official start date of sovereignty. The place where the treaty was signed is much less important than what it said and who signed it, even if it ends up being named after that place.
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- abtinf 3y agoHuh, rare to see a monarchist view expressed here. This is like saying the constitution grants rights.