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New plant-based pork ribs to feature edible vegan bones
- xnx 3y agoI've had a lot of plant-based drumsticks with edible sugar-cane "bone". Kind of fun to eat!
- unnamed76ri 3y agoSave the planet and ruin your health with ultra-processed food.
- newman555 3y agowell still better than both ruining the planet and health with animal based processed food.
- iancmceachern 3y agoI'd wager $20 that the carbon Footprint of this thing is much higher than a farm raised (not factory raised) real chunk of meat.
- hamax 3y agoIt's not.
- iancmceachern 3y agoGot any proof? I'm skeptical, because many things, like Corn Ethanol, are actually not what they're promised to be. I would love it if this wasn't the case here, but I suspect it is. Any proof either way? Updated- the guy above provided a bunch, thanks!
- myshpa 3y ago> I'd wager $20 that the carbon Footprint of this thing is much higher than a farm raised (not factory raised) real chunk of meat. Thanks? And you think you'll get away with that? ;) > a farm raised (not factory raised) real chunk of meat Farm raised is in fact worse for the climate than CAFOs (because it takes longer), not talking about other aspects. > I'd wager $20 Just joking, of course. Try some good vegan restaurant instead (happycow.net).
- iancmceachern 3y agoI was actually raised vegetarian and generally prefer vegetarian dishes. I've also been paying attention, and know that many things that are sold to us as greener, arent.
- myshpa 3y ago> I was actually raised vegetarian and generally prefer vegetarian dishes. If you've been raised vegetarian, it's possible you have some blind spots. A lot of people have an idealized picture of how the industry works. Have you seen "dairy is scary" ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcN7SGGoCNI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcN7SGGoCNI Or dominion? https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch > know that many things that are sold to us as greener, arent Certainly, that's why I would recommend focusing on science rather than mass or social media.
- tchaffee 3y agoHow so? Meat already has a much higher carbon footprint so what part of the plant based product would make it so much higher?
- iancmceachern 3y agoThe manufacturing and distribution. It's like with corn based ethanol fuels. Yes, we can turn corn into fuel. Yes, it takes more fuel to burn than we get out of the process.
- myshpa 3y agohttps://sentientmedia.org/new-study-confirms-plant-based-better/ https://sentientmedia.org/new-study-confirms-plant-based-bet... A new University of Oxford study adds to the growing body of evidence that plant-based foods, even the processed ones, are better for the planet than meat, especially beef and lamb. https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2120584119 https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2120584119 Estimating the environmental impacts of 57,000 food products https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/07/plant-based-meat-by-far-the-best-climate-investment-report-finds https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/jul/07/plant-ba... Plant-based meat by far the best climate investment, report finds https://css.umich.edu/publications/research-publications/beyond-meats-beyond-burger-life-cycle-assessment-detailed https://css.umich.edu/publications/research-publications/bey... Beyond Meat's Beyond Burger Life Cycle Assessment: A detailed comparison between a plant-based and an animal-based protein source the Beyond Burger generates 90% less greenhouse gas emissions, requires 46% less energy, has >99% less impact on water scarcity and 93% less impact on land use than a ¼ pound of U.S. beef https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local You want to reduce the carbon footprint of your food? Focus on what you eat, not whether your food is local ... Transport is a small contributor to emissions. For most food products, it accounts for less than 10%, and it’s much smaller for the largest GHG emitters. In beef from beef herds, it’s 0.5%.
- tchaffee 3y agoWhat's the carbon footprint of the manufacturing? Meat is also distributed. What's your source for this claim about ethanol fuels? You can get pure ethanol at any pump in Brazil, it's widely used, and it's even 10% in gasoline. You sure they are losing money on that?
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- prisoner3986 3y agoThis is a good one :)
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- dang 3y agoCould you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. We're particularly trying to avoid ideological battle here, regardless of which ideology people are battling for or against. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
- beej71 3y agoI don't get this. The best veggie burger in my town doesn't taste anything like meat. Make more good, novel veggie products, not "realistic bones". Oh, and try to make them healthy, unlike Impossible burgers. Next up: plant based roast boar's head, complete with eyeballs.
- pas 3y agothere's a market for both
- vorticalbox 3y agoI personally have a soft spot for halliumi. Best burger I've ever had was from a street market in Glasgow.
- mattl 3y agoDoes the veggie burger in your town fit inside a bun and stay inside the bun or does it fall apart immediately when you start eating it? I’ve had thousands of veggie burgers and most lack stability unfortunately
- beej71 3y agoI admit it isn't the most stable, but it was manageable. And the taste made up for it.
- mtalantikite 3y agoI’ve had the same problem with most veggie burgers, but found a recipe years ago that really holds up. It’s a Jamaican Ital recipe: https://www.sun-sentinel.com/2005/05/26/bean-burgers-jamaican-style/ https://www.sun-sentinel.com/2005/05/26/bean-burgers-jamaica... Coincidentally I just got back from Jamaica a few days ago, and as a vegetarian I always try to find the Rasta spot as soon as I can as they’re usually the ones with the best veg food. I was thinking of these burgers and now here we are — I guess I should make a batch this weekend!
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- lotrjohn 3y agoSo, basically the McRib?
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- recursivedoubts 3y agoyou will live to see man-made horrors beyond your comprehension
- myshpa 3y agoWe already have. https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch https://www.dominionmovement.com/watch
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- JodieBenitez 3y agoNo, thanks. If we are to only eat fruits and vegetables, I'd rather cook them myself than eat some fake industrial processed shit.
- its_a_random_ac 3y agoAs an ethical-vegetarian, these are very much not for me, but I've also noticed this weird thing where some restaurants (Sushirrito's the most recent one I've seen) drop their traditionally meat free items and replace it with something that is just a meat item with the meat subbed out. I get why they want to do this for streamlining purposes, but it doesn't make any sense to me. People that want to avoid eating meat will still avoid it, but also the differences need to be taken into account regarding texture and seasoning, which it doesn't seem like they do.
- gambiting 3y agoSame - I see that quite a lot around traditional Polish restaurants. Polish cousine already has a lot of meat-free dishes, a lot of it borne from the times of difficulty and learning to make do with very little, so it's completely normal to order a dish that just doesn't happen to have any meat in it, and no one would even think of it as specifically vegetarian/vegan(even though it is). But now those dishes are being pushed out for specific vegetarian/vegan dishes where a traditional dish with meat is being replaced with a meat-imitation. It's like......why? If you want vegetarian dumplings(pierogi), there are literally dozens of different options already, we've been making them literally for centuries, but you'd rather have pierogi with meat-imitation pork mince? I mean suit yourself, but it's just weird.
- EA-3167 3y agoOne of the greatest things on Earth, cheese and potato pelmeni/pierogi, steamed and then lightly pan fried in butter (or oil) with onions. Serve with smetana and anything else you like. I could eat that for DAYS. No meat required, no pretensions of meat required!
- basisword 3y agoWhat’s the nutritional and health verdict on the fake meat products generally so far? Seems like we’re encouraging people to replace the least processed part of their diet with something completely processed. That seems like a bad idea and it seems like the kind of thing we’re going to really regret in 100 years when we trace back a load of diseases to it. This is just a gut feeling though - is there any research?
- EA-3167 3y agoI don't think a lot of health claims are made about these, it's either an ecological argument, a moral (killing animals is bad) argument, or both. After all I think we all understand that it's more than possible to reduce or eliminate meat without having to eat highly processed frankenfood recreations of meat. I'd be much happier eating foods that make the best of non-meat ingredients without trying to imitate the taste and texture of something it just... isn't. A black bean "burger" can be a joy, a greasy Beyond Burger is never a good time. If I really want the experience of a hamburger, no amount of TVP and coconut oil is going to replicate that experience anyway.
- ajdude 3y agoThe worst part about this is that many places that I used to eat at have replaced their delicious black bean burgers with impossible meat. I am not a vegetarian or vegan, but I used to love the vegetarian options and would often opt for things such as a black bean or portobello burger. Now I just get a regular burger.
- hamax 3y agoI wouldn't really call this completely processes. It's just soy flour mechanically processed with some seasoning. I'd put it into the same category as fish sticks or chicken nuggets. Not something I would eat every day, but if someone wants to do it, they'll be fine.
- EA-3167 3y ago...Fish sticks and chicken nuggets are some of the more iconic "highly processed foods" out there though? And think about it, "just soy flour with seasoning" sure, but what about the "meat" on the bones? That's going to be soy flour and a mixture of saturated and unsaturated fats, binders, textural elements, seasoning, thickeners and so on. Basically the soy-flour bones are just one additional element, it's not like people are going to be buying them on their own, they'd realize that they're just seasoned dog treats.
- Ekaros 3y agoI just can't wrap my head around the idea of the process to eat these. So first you cook them traditionally or at least close. Then you serve and eat them. And next you have some left over bones. Which you need to bake or fry? Like why even bother to combine things like that? And then, considering if they are shared. And someone eat them by hand and suck from the bone, you still want to mix them together, bake/fry and eat? It sounds kinda yucky...
- gretch 3y agoIt also doesn’t make sense because meat eaters don’t eat the pork bones, so it’s not as if anyone feels like they are missing out on edible bones and want to substitute for this.
- sublinear 3y agoNobody wants this crap. If you want to sell a product it needs to be good to begin with. Ethics, economics, politics, etc. will always be secondary to even the most fanatical customers. If the product sucks, it sucks.
- Forbo 3y ago> Nobody wants this crap. That remains to be seen. In my view the more vegetarian options and ease of access, the better.
- cam_l 3y agoWell, I for one won't be convinced until I can hunt the whole Tofu-de-beast.